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Permalink Reply by Russell Paul Luck on July 25, 2010 at 3:15pm

I will try to look it up, but it is part of the strong sea currents that circle the world.
And yes you are right that co2 is vital for the environmental balance of things.
There are MUCH worse things going into our atmosphere than co2, maybe we should be highlighting that as a danger to our planets health.

I do not truely know how much damage this "green House" effect can and/or will have on things, but we should not be too flippant about it all, including using it as an excuse to tax to crap out of the consumers, as ultimately any tax on business will filter down to us all.

Permalink Reply by Russell Paul Luck on July 25, 2010 at 3:40pm

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/oceans.htm has some info about the oceans interaction with the atmosphere.
It says "The top few meters alone store as much heat energy as the entire atmosphere, and the oceans average 3.7 kilometers deep. Most of the world's water is there too, of course, and even most of the gases, dissolved in the water. "

and "Since the oceans hold many times as much CO2 as the atmosphere, he explained, it seemed obvious that they must eventually swallow up 95% of any new gas, regardless of the details of the chemistry. The argument was roughly correct in principle (there are about 50 carbon atoms dissolved in the oceans for every one in the atmosphere)"

This was pretty cool too http://science.howstuffworks.com/ocean-current3.htm

Heres one for the climate skeptics :-)
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90777/90853/6959757.html

Couldn't find anything at present, but it was at school 20 years ago that we were learning about the living planet style of thinking.

I will get back to you if I find anything particular about it and I look forward to hearing back from you regarding if you find anything too.

Permalink Reply by John Paul McKerral on July 25, 2010 at 3:54pm

Russell
Your a dreamer if you think that that is all there is to it. Commercial PV solar can supply from 70 to 200 KW per sq. meter. The item that you mention, so easily made would probably produce well below the lower figure. On top of that it is the refining of the silicon that takes all the energy, not coating glass or plastic with it. Extreme heat is required in the refining process. Life is so simple if you don't bother about the details isn't it.
The energy may be free but harnessing it isn't.
JP

Permalink Reply by Russell Paul Luck on July 25, 2010 at 5:12pm

If storage is a problem, then we could use biofuels to power personal generators at night or low light days.
Plants capture, convert and store energy we need just need to use it properly.
Malee scrub is said to be a good source for this, we could have regional ethanol plants and distribution centres, providing gainful employment and self sufficency.

And what about being more energy efficient with our use of the power.

The amount of wasted energy on lights at night time is incredible.

We have this half kilometre stretch near Eumundi on the Highway lit up like a christmas tree.
But what for?
It's a highway...

Permalink Reply by Carol Petith on July 25, 2010 at 6:03pm

Thanks Bob. Great work.

It is shocking that we have had this insidious disease of so called AGW inflicted on us. It is worse that our young people have been made the target as they will find out when they are confronted with the reality of Emissions Trading Scam on top of the debt and the interest that Australia is clacking up every day.
Carol

Permalink Reply by Colin J Ely on July 25, 2010 at 8:46pm

From Simon's Australian Climate Madness site, The Greens want 100% renewables by 2030.

Does anyone have an old Stanley Steamer in their shed?

Permalink Reply by Bob Stewart on July 26, 2010 at 5:22am

There is a power train of a Stanley Steamer in the little museum at Pinnaroo and Coles Power Models in the US have plans for components and assembly of a steam powered bicycle

...but typical of the Greens, Senator Milne - no idea what is required to achieve it

Permalink Reply by Bob Stewart on July 26, 2010 at 6:09am

Wong Defends Citizens Assembly AdelaideNow, yesrerday


"Federal Climate Change Minister Penny Wong has defended the Government's plan to set up a citizens assembly to gauge public opinion on a carbon price ( but has ruled out Industry in the assembly.RS)

The Government says it will ask 150 volunteers to find out whether the community is ready for the change.The plan has been slammed by green groups and the Opposition, who say it is a massive failure of leadership.

But Senator Wong has told Channel Ten it is an important step in the Government's plan.
"We also need a much stronger political and community consensus than we previously had," she said.
"So the assembly is one of the ways in which we will engage the Australian people. I don't think there's anything wrong with Australians having their say."

Meanwhile, the Federal Government has pledged $180 million to improve the energy efficiency of commercial building if it wins the election.Senator Wong, says the 50 per cent tax deduction will be available from next year.It will apply to upgrades that take a building from a two star energy rating or lower to at least four stars. ( Does the Minister have any idea how far $150 million will go to achieve a result that could be measured? RS)

But here is the crunch line ......

Senator Wong has told Channel Ten commercial buildings are big contributors to the country's total carbon emissions."Tax breaks for building owners so they can retrofit their buildings, to make them more energy efficient," she said."That's about 10 per cent of Australia's emissions come from how our commercial buildings are." ( So, are the building owners paying some of the $455 p.a. you have promised me? RS)

I would remind Penny Wong and Senator Milne that the Nation is bigger than any one of them and if Penny Wong is not taxing the owners of buildings for the 10% of Australia's carbon they produce then farcical theatrics are taking over the issue.

....and if the Greens declared they want 100% renewables by 2030. What is coming next Senator Milne? Will the Greens soon be handing out free flints ? No, of course not - how preposterous. It's a bit like Labor Treasurer of SA Kevin Foley trumpeting that the $8 billion unfunded liability to the Public Service would be on track by 2034

Robert Stewart

Permalink Reply by Russell Paul Luck on July 26, 2010 at 11:56am

Maybe they could get all the participants to pedal on exercise bikes with dynamos hooked up to them as they rubber stamped the Governments plans.
I'm sure that would get the Greens onboard. :-)

Permalink Reply by Bob Stewart on July 26, 2010 at 2:14pm

Anthony,

I see the Greens policy now on energy is to be 100% renewables by 2030. Is it possible that they are so devoid of fundamental information or life experience to make such a policy or sadly , to even think it could be possible?

Cheers from Bob

Permalink Reply by Russell Paul Luck on September 8, 2010 at 7:36pm

The election is over.
They don't need our defacto approval of our... sorry... their system for another 3 years.
Or more if they "reform" it longer.

Permalink Reply by Colin J Ely on September 8, 2010 at 11:22pm

Russell
Don't be surprised if it all falls in a heap this year, let alone by next December? ;-)

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