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Permalink Reply by Roger Rankin Crook on November 15, 2010 at 7:53pm

Colin, thank you.

It's not often that I sit and read something like that from beginning to end and follow some of the references.

Do we have another Al Gore in the making of Gasland?

The people in Qld who are in this debate need to read the ref you have posted and comment. They have been using Gasland as their reference point (or at least one of them) so far.

Thanks again.

Roger

Permalink Reply by Drew Hutton on November 15, 2010 at 8:15pm

A response from a gas industry front like EID deserves a rejoinder from Josh Fox...and he gives it. Read http://1trickpony.cachefly.net/gas/pdf/Affirming_Gasland_July_2010.pdf. Drew

Permalink Reply by Colin J Ely on November 15, 2010 at 8:29pm

Drew
I am not an Engineer or a Geologist so I cannot comment on the content of either 'Gasland' or the EID website.

The post you refer to alleges that the EID is a front for Big Oil/Gas, I hope they wouldn't allege that the Climate Sceptics Party is a front for Big Oil/Coal?

Permalink Reply by Colin J Ely on November 15, 2010 at 8:33pm

Drew

More About Me (Optional)
I am an environmental campaigner working with farming groups to protect farmland from coal and coal seam gas mining.

So could we accuse you of being a 'front' for another organisation? ;-)

We all bring our biases to an issue, the hard part is to view an issue dispassionately!

Permalink Reply by Roger Rankin Crook on November 15, 2010 at 9:09pm

I just posted this on another topic: A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. WSC

Perhaps we should all take note that the 'science is never settled', this site Just Grounds is committed to encouraging balance in debate. One doesn't need to be a scientist to follow the counter argument to Gaslands.

What one chooses to believe or not depends on many things but primarily in my view, an ability to develop in one's view of life, an acceptance that there are always two sides to any argument. Sometimes one is right sometimes the other, often the answer is somewhere in between.

What we have as I see it is a counter-argument, the other side if you like, to the Gaslands film. As I see it the counter-argument is referenced, by that I mean that one can check, from another source, the counter-claim that is made.

It would seem to me, that before we question who made the 'counter' to Gaslands and again come up with that alarmist expression 'vested interests' and the implication that because they are a 'vested interest' they are always wrong, we should have a reasonable debate on the veracity of the counter-position.

That position must, in my view, show where the 'counter' to Gaslands is wrong, show why, show the evidence from science please!

Roger

Permalink Reply by Roger Rankin Crook on November 15, 2010 at 9:43pm

Have just read http://1trickpony.cachefly.net/gas/pdf/Affirming_Gasland_July_2010.pdf.

What an interesting debate we are in for.

Permalink Reply by Lee McNicholl on November 15, 2010 at 10:53pm

G'day Roger, before you all get too conspiratorial and even worse get into Queenslander bashing I suggest you read the following link.

Subject: Brilliant response by Josh Fox to criticisms of Gaslands



http://1trickpony.cachefly.net/gas/pdf/Affirming_Gasland_July_2010....

I believe Affirming Gasland comprehensively destroys a very paultry attempt to discredit Gasland by the US Gas Industry. Please read as I look foward to your unbiased comments

Permalink Reply by Roger Rankin Crook on November 15, 2010 at 11:07pm

Can't you read what is above this? I have already said that I have read it!!

All I have asked is that the debate be based on fact.

You write:

G'day Roger, before you all get too conspiratorial and even worse get into Queenslander bashing I suggest you read the following link.

I will leave others to comment on that remark.

Roger

Permalink Reply by Drew Hutton on November 16, 2010 at 9:26am

I'm sorry if my responses have been a little curt but, believe me, it's not that I don't appreciate debate. It's just that we are not facing an academic situation up here in southern Queensland. The coal and gas industry will destroy the Darling Downs. That is not rhetoric, that is fact. Agriculture will exist only in pockets, good land will become useless - either for a generation or forever - people's farms will become unsaleable and they will have to live on top of polluting, noisy industrial infrastructure the rest of their lives and the Great Artesian Basin itself is endangered. The gas industry especially is using spin to hoodwink people into thinking they are 'clean and green'...well there's nothing clean and green about what they are doing up here and they're probably coming for you down south soon. Drew

Permalink Reply by Annette Bezzina on November 16, 2010 at 10:05am

Reposting this from Gasland - The movie discussion

Interesting article in the Sydney Morning Herald in regards to CSG:

'Gas drilling licence nabs most of city.'

'The licence covers 3285 kilometres - most of greater Sydney - from Kurnell to Gosford and west to Eastern Creek.'

"The gas companies and their coal mining allies have very ambitious plans in and around Sydney about which they have not told the public"...

www.smh.com.au/environment/gas-drilling-licence-nabs-most-of-city-2...

Permalink Reply by Adele Carrall on November 16, 2010 at 1:15pm

From (approximately) Port Stephens to beyond Port Macquarie and west to beyond Gloucester, Stratford, Salisbury and Gresford also Booral and beyond, is under threat of coal seam gas mining.

In September, 2010 'through' October, 2010, surveying was conducted by Fugro Airborne Surveys on behalf of Pangaea Resources 'under an exploration licence from the NSW Department of Industry and Investment'.

From Pangaea Resources Myall Syncline Exploration webpage:-

The magnetic survey provides a way to identify potential for possible future resources exploration that has minimum impact or disruption on the ground. Pangaea Resources is licenced to explore the area by the New South Wales Department of Industry and Investment and is predominantly involved in Coal Seam Gas exploration.

Drew Hutton said:

I'm sorry if my responses have been a little curt but, believe me, it's not that I don't appreciate debate. It's just that we are not facing an academic situation up here in southern Queensland. The coal and gas industry will destroy the Darling Downs. That is not rhetoric, that is fact. Agriculture will exist only in pockets, good land will become useless - either for a generation or forever - people's farms will become unsaleable and they will have to live on top of polluting, noisy industrial infrastructure the rest of their lives and the Great Artesian Basin itself is endangered. The gas industry especially is using spin to hoodwink people into thinking they are 'clean and green'...well there's nothing clean and green about what they are doing up here and they're probably coming for you down south soon. Drew