Christian Libertarian Conservatives (CLC)

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Christian Libertarian Conservatives (CLC)

A place where Christian Libertarian Conservatives can come and chat to discuss faith and politics in good manner. Non Believers also Welcome to Join the Club !!!

Location: Planet Earth
Members: 15
Latest Activity: Dec 30, 2011

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I am wondering if anyone would like to join me as I read through the Bible?  I have read Genesis and am in Exodus.Cheers,IanContinue

Started by Ian Macrae Yeates. Last reply by Malcolm Fenton Aug 29, 2011.

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Comment by Ian Macrae Yeates on December 30, 2011 at 9:15am

True, Dale

Libertarianism treats man’s sinful nature realistically. James Madison famously quipped that if men were angels no government would be necessary. Christian libertarians take this a step further, saying that it is precisely because men are not angels that government must have extraordinarily limited powers.

Comment by Dale Stiller on December 30, 2011 at 8:43am
Comment by Michaelng Clayton on August 13, 2011 at 5:54pm
I also believe in a spiritual model for he future of our World.

Spiritual Evolution

The Future Of Our World - God's Letters

Comment by Michaelng Clayton on August 13, 2011 at 5:30pm

I believe in Jesus Christ but I also believe in a spiritual model for he future of our World. This video sums up about how I feel.

 

 

Comment by Roo Palmer on July 24, 2011 at 11:55am

oops.  typo. Christian liberatians...

Comment by Roo Palmer on July 24, 2011 at 11:54am

Christian kiberaterians should be, scriptually speaking, Liberationists of the equality and value and respect of all people in the eyes of God. The only EXCEPTION is for the Christian faith joining to be equal wiht other religious views which is joining with Satan.  Paul teaches that within Christianity itself all men and women, black and white, Jew and Gentile are equal in Christ, so if you are male or female Christian, you are equal in Christ.   However, if you deliberatly join with another religion or an area which is against Scripture such as homosexuality, you are joining with demonic forces and are not truly with Christ.  Libertarianism within Christianity STICK with and follow the guidlines of Scripture.  However, the secular libertarianism is against Scripture, against God, against the Cross and against Christians.. that's the difference  

Comment by Ian Macrae Yeates on March 7, 2011 at 9:20am
The other side of the coin or another dimension is for mentally ill people. For physical handicaps everyone can make some allowances - wheelchairs need walkaways instead of steps, etc but for the mentally ill it can be different. Police, sports complex staff, restaurant staff and others working with people may find it hard to distinguish someone with a mental illness. They expect a certain standard of behaviour from their clients or patrons and if that standard is not reached and the offender looks normal - they will see that the 'offender' is punished to the full severity of the law.
Comment by Russell Paul Luck on March 7, 2011 at 9:00am

Modern law makers believe that Drunks can haze themselves to their hearts content... As long as they pay their tax on the state revenue raising drug.

I agree that crime catagorised by breaking the "Law" and sin are just two sets of rules.

And rules can be corrupted and misinterpreted, purposefully or not.

Often people get damaged through out their lives or "desensitised" by exposure to frequent and badly managed wrong doing.

They then can perpetuate the harm through their continuing reactions and modified behaviours.

In this sense they are a victim too.

Our environment often influences us quite strongly.

The law these days has become further from Justice and more about Justification !

Often for vested personal interests not the communities.

Of which the community is supposedly the pinnacle of authority in a Democracy.

The perfect crime it would seem.

The Administration and "representatives" can do as they wish due to the entanglement and commplexity they have purposefully designed into their rules.

Then the WHOLE community is legally responsible as they are the guardians of society and the system.

Much the same way a parent is held responsible for a childs behaviour and actions until they reach a certain age that is.

But there seems to be no seperation in politics nor accountability either...

Comment by Patrick Kelly on March 7, 2011 at 5:44am
Victimless crime is an oxymoron. According to the reward for Sin of which crime really is, the perpetrator is as much a victim of it as anyone...
Herein lies the rub. The equating of crime with sin. Sin is a religious construct; crime is a civil concept. If the Christian conceives sin and crime to be equivalent then the civil code should reflect his religious code. This flies in the face of Libertarianism which holds that the only legitimate role of the state is to protect people from violence and coercion by others. Inclusion of religious principles in state sponsored regulations/legal frameworks acts as a form of coercion and would be unacceptable to libertarians.
The only way that "victimless crime is an oxymoron" can be accepted as a valid statement is in the sense that the perpetrator himself can be viewed as a victim. Libertarians, basing their philosophy on the primacy of the individual and the right of the individual to choose his personal fulfilment/destiny in the manner of his choosing, would contend that the drunkard is entitled to spend his life in an alcoholic haze should he choose to do so. Many modern day Christians would disagree.
Comment by Russell Paul Luck on March 6, 2011 at 10:36am

A description of something can only be as good as the perspective it was created from.

Victimless crime is an oxymoron.

According to the reward for Sin of which crime really is, the perpetrator is as much a victim of it as anyone...

 

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