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Permalink Reply by Joanne Rea on May 28, 2012 at 10:27am

Tony

I thihk in this instance we should be guided by the experience of the Vietnamese Pangasius fishermen who were taken off the desirable European fish list with huge disruption to the industry.

The fishermen wanted to know what standards they had been judged against.

Only after a public outcry did WWF admit that the decision to delist was not based on science (they seem good at that) and that they were now "in negotiations" about being returned to the list.

Once you are tied to these people you are at their mercey with no science and no negotiation until they have the dominant position.

As posted on the PRA group page, Tim Wilson, our keynote Conference speaker, believes that altough there are exceptions under the Competition and Consumer Act for environmental organisations engaging in othewise illegal secondary boycotts and third line forcing, the businesses at the end of the supply chain has no such protection and the new head of the ACCC has undertaken to keep an eye on this situation.

It appears that in some cases "no standards" means whatever WWF decides they  will be backed up by a sloppy MSM, a gullible public and what they claim is "science" rather than real science.

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Permalink Reply by Joanne Rea on May 28, 2012 at 11:29am

Tim Wilson puts the case in

  An Unsustainable Economic Transformation

How green groups are creating false foundations and restricting the Australian economy

 

3.2.1 [In]voluntary certification schemes

While MSIs and certification schemes were designed as ‘voluntary’ market instruments, it is now clear that, that is not the intent. According to its September 2010 MSI review, through the implementation of ‘voluntary’ certification standards stakeholders have found that the effectivenes is limited by the essentially ‘voluntary’ nature. In response the report concluded that complimentary measures were required including:

1. ‘To increase MSI uptake, governments and international organisations in consumer and producer countries should establish complementary mechanisms to create an enabling environment. Such mechanisms could include national legislation, public procurement policies, tax incentives and tax relief, and start-up grants. Financial institutions also have an important role to play to support and enable MSIs.

2. There is a need to explore non-market based mechanisms that can drive better management practices for domestic production (eg. regulatory waivers in exchange for certification).’31

31 World

These recommendations are now being put into practice, turning voluntary market schemes into involuntary ones. WWF’s MTI strategy also outlines that while existing certification standards are useful, they are only one phase in an overall strategy, and that the next step is to transfer the objectives of certification into measurable standards. What is clear is that the MTI comfortably creates a framework for moving the ‘voluntary’ nature of certification schemes, into their compulsory application onto products. 31 World

The intent of the strategy to influence and control supply chains was outlined in a strategy document from October 2010.32 According to the same strategy, WWF gloats that in response to the question whether ‘government regulation *is+ the next step’ it argues ‘Yes, it’s already happening *and they’ve+ ...already set up standards that governments are using in their regulations’.33

Further, WWF also poses the question about whether there will be a time when consumers will not have a choice between products that do and do not meet their standards arguing. ‘Absolutely ... [and] at some point in the not-so-distant future, this needs to be regulated by governments, not [E]NGOs’.34

Some of the actions outlined in 3.2.1 may also beillegal in Australia under the Competition Act except for exemptions for environmental groups.

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Permalink Reply by Jeff Hutcho on June 1, 2012 at 12:35am

Hi Joanne,

If you haven't seen this article from Der Spiegel (Der Spiegel skewers WWF) posted on Donna la Framboise's "No Frakking Consensus", may I suggest you read it.

It would probably make good handout material for your next conference with the WWF representative.

http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2012/05/30/der-spiegel-skewers-the-w...

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The movie mentioned in that article "Pact With The Panda" is blocked for 'copyright reasons' Hmmmm.

J.H.

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Permalink Reply by Dixie Nott on June 1, 2012 at 9:08am

Good find Jeff.

As usual the article gives leads that I follow up and forward to my long suffering email list.

The arrogance of the super- activist groups is amazing.

The displacement of locals demanded by WWF is criminal.

When I was involved in tree clearing consultations in 1990s early 2000s, the conservation group on the committee was local, Queensland Conservation Council, and it would be useful to have a requirement that conservation representation on Australian issues undergoing " consultation" be only local. I guess the reason its not is that so many of the "stakeholder" representatives are members of both "super conservation groups" and "industry" a la Guy Fitzharding.

Jeff Hutcho said:

Hi Joanne,

If you haven't seen this article from Der Spiegel (Der Spiegel skewers WWF) posted on Donna la Framboise's "No Frakking Consensus", may I suggest you read it.

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Permalink Reply by Ian Davies on June 1, 2012 at 9:36am

FROM DER SPIEGEL

05/29/2012

 

Green Veneer

WWF Helps Industry More than Environment

By Jens Glüsing and Nils Klawitter

 

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/wwf-helps-industry-more-t...

 

At the bottom of the page you will find parts 2 & 3 or as linked.

 

 

         Part 1: WWF Helps Industry More than Environment

         Part 2: The Palm Oil Business

         Part 3: The Myth of Sustainability

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/wwf-helps-industry-more-t...

 

CH appears to be marching in step with the Globalist push by WWF but only when in their interests. Australian’s should be very careful about the future and how these linkages may impact the wider Agricultural community of our fine Nation.

http://afr.com/p/national/labor_china_food_bowl_plan_VOZQjQXmlHZ1Pa...

"The white paper"……

 

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Permalink Reply by Jeff Hutcho on June 1, 2012 at 9:50am

Hi Ian,

Yes, that's where the links from "No  Frakking Consensus" I posted above go to.

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Australia should be  Very, Very Careful.

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Permalink Reply by Ian Davies on June 1, 2012 at 10:20am

Hi Jeff, Ahh! just went looking. Link was up many months ago to the 4 parts of the Doc. Silence of the Panda.

Part 4 is here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVEeX79mLd4       Maybe not for long.

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Permalink Reply by Jeff Hutcho on June 1, 2012 at 1:22pm

G'day Ian

Thanks for the Youtube link. As you say it may not be there for long, part 3 is missing already, and on some sites, it has been blocked for "Copyright Infringement" - Ho hum.

But I found a source for the complete version, on Blip TV

http://blip.tv/gmomovies/the-silence-of-the-pandas-5609761

I've also read a disclaimer from the Panda - "it's all incorrect information" - Ho hum.

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Permalink Reply by Ian Davies on June 1, 2012 at 2:59pm

Jeff, good find on blip.tv  

I couldn't resist the read of the WWF breakdown rebuttal on that big black & white site.   Wish the book was in English "shwarzbuch WWF"

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Permalink Reply by Jeff Hutcho on June 1, 2012 at 6:31pm

Hi Ian,

Here's a start - Redd Monitor.

http://www.redd-monitor.org/2012/05/29/wwf-scandal-part-4-the-dark-...

Of course 'schwarzbuch WWF'  is the  - Black Book WWF .

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Permalink Reply by Jeff Hutcho on June 1, 2012 at 6:43pm

P.S.

Don't miss the comments on that Redd-monitor page.

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Permalink Reply by Ian Davies on June 1, 2012 at 7:33pm

Hi Jeff, LOL how we all circle around. That was were I started looking as I was following up on Rio+ Redd discussions being pushed from D.C

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