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Permalink Reply by Alyn Roule on September 21, 2012 at 5:51pm

Ultimately, the issue will break down to just a few points = Oil, Gold, Religion, Corruption, Politics (not necessarily in that order) and all of it funded by -; Bonds.

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Permalink Reply by Stephen Cox on September 22, 2012 at 10:47pm

Norm while I fully agree people such as the Rockerfellers who actually funded much of the communist agenda as exposed so brilliantly in the book by Gary Alan 'None dare call it conspiracy' available for free in pdf form on the internet if you search under the title name,However .

Regarding the many so called instances of false Flag operations that conspiracy theorists delight in they in too many cases go against the grain of human behaviour and political foresight which is all but nonexistant.

 

So instance you justify False flag operations against Iraq on the basis of Oil etc and condemm the whole shebang as being based on Lies about weapons of mass destruction,That premise is absolute rubbish for the following reasons that are Historical fact.

 

George W Bush spent more than six months dicking around in the UN before any boots hit the ground,more than enough time to remove evidence that would back up the actions being based on 'Weapons of Mass Destruction'.

Lets look at History both recent and past to acertain the possibility of Saddam having WMD's,

Under then Prime Minister (prior to becoming President) Jacque Chirac of France Nuclear Technology was actually tranferred to Iraq from France,The facilities were destroyed in a Bombing raid by Israel in the early eighties.

Ever since the beginning of WW2 the Germans worked closely with the Islamic people (Some 200,000 were in fact in SS units in the Balkans),After the defeat in WW2 many germans sought sanctuary in Islamic countries where their technical expertise was valued,Egypt for instance wanted German Rocket guidance tech for Missile attacks they planned on Israel.

German Chemical Industry people were in fact suppliers of the ingredients and knowhow that led Saddam to using poison gas against the Kurds resulting in well over 100,000 deaths by WMD's,Similar tactics and weapons were used in the Iran-Iraq War as well.

 

Russians have been for decades supplying many weapons to the Islamic Middle east such as the weapons systems able to deliver Toxins or Nuclear Payloads,A convoy of Russians escaping at the last minute from Iraq fell foul of an Air Attack by the Americans but the incident gained scant coverage,Possibly the Russians did not jump up and down as they wished not to draw attention as to what they may have been up too.

 

Recently Syria has been an area of worry regarding a Stockplie of Chemical Weapons,Where did they come from I am sure if they possesed them earlier then they would have been used against Israel in one of the previous bloody wars such as Yom Kippur,Israel after all did attack a Syrian Nuclear site a couple of years back yet they seemed unaware of these weapons.

Maybe the Mossad were unaware of such a cache of weapons so deadly to a small state such as Isreal so close to home because just coming over the border from Iraq meant there was not the Normal paper trail to uncover.

There is too much Historical evidence of collusion of supply to Iraq by Russian German and French Companies and indeed Governments to dismiss as Lies that Saddam had no WMD's.

 

Oil as the main reason for Western Involvement in the Middle East is not the whole story,far from it in fact While Much of the History of WW2 goes out of it's way to expunge the role of the Arab and Islam as Armed and Wlling allies of Hitler and the Nazi idealogy under the Auspices of the then World Islamic Leader the 'Grand Mufti Al Husseinei' of Jerusalem.

I believe the threat of Islam was considered and looked apon as very real by the Allied Victors so involvement in the Middle east was about keeping Islam under controll while keeping the public uninformed and using the formation of Israel as a lightning rod.

 

Arab attrocities against Jews went back much further than WW2 probably well before even the Al Husseinei incited violence and riots during the twenties,There were also the Armenian Genocide issues of the early twentieth century that have been simmilarily buried.

 

So some real research about Historical,Religious and Political motivation will soon show many so called false Flag operations are in fact rubbish peddled by wacko's.

Yes there are many especially in big business multinational and banking circles pulling strings behind the scenes and politicians as well but to classify then as False Flag is wrong as that denotes Countries as being behind the actions and in truth in the majority of cases that is incorrect.

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Permalink Reply by Dr Caroline Wright on September 23, 2012 at 1:31pm

Ian you said....  a "cocky bugger"... then followed that later with Now I have a wonderful recipe for Anzac biscuits... My question is who is the "cheeky b....." now?

Kind regards

Caroline

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Permalink Reply by Alyn Roule on September 23, 2012 at 2:37pm

Just to add a slightly different dimension to this thread, a News Flash just occured where a Pakistani Minister has put a $95,000 Bounty on the head of the person who created the video that sparked the recent islamic unrest.

This creates a multitude of questions that also include -; "Sovereign Security"  

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Permalink Reply by Dr Caroline Wright on September 23, 2012 at 3:15pm

This situation could very quickly get out of hand in a very big way Alyn!!

By the way Ian I should have added a smily face to what I said above so please consider that there is one there lurking around. It is just my warped sense of humour.

Kind regards to you both

Caroline

Alyn Roule said:

Just to add a slightly different dimension to this thread, a News Flash just occured where a Pakistani Minister has put a $95,000 Bounty on the head of the person who created the video that sparked the recent islamic unrest.

This creates a multitude of questions that also include -; "Sovereign Security"  

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Permalink Reply by Rob Moore on September 23, 2012 at 5:15pm

Alyn- check your site inbox.

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Permalink Reply by Geoff Hutchesson on September 23, 2012 at 7:14pm

Does anyone remember Sir Ahmed Salman Rushdie, the authour of the book "Satanic Verses" that caused  a 'fatwah' being placed upon him by Ayotollah Ruhollah Khomeini, as the text was considered blasphemous against Islam. - 1968 ?

There is a reward of $3.3 million dollars on Rushdie's head, still current, and has been upgraded recently from the previous $2.8 million dollars.

Rushdie is still a live and well, and has recently attended a conference in Delhi, India, March 2012.

An India is just across the border from Islamic Pakistan.

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Permalink Reply by Dr Caroline Wright on September 23, 2012 at 8:31pm

I watched the ABC News tonight and President Obama told the American people in regard to those who bombed the American Embassy resulting in the death of 3 Americans that "We" will hunt them down and bring them to justice.

Things are quickly coming to a head. How will history see this sorry event when one man's actions can cause such widespread hate, angst, violence and death and ............. (who knows).

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Permalink Reply by vivienne skeen on September 23, 2012 at 10:09pm

This is happening right now. And, no you wont hear this on the nightly news.

The UK Telegraph

Armada of British naval power massing in the Gulf as Israel prepares an Iran strike

An armada of US and British naval power is massing in the Persian Gulf in the belief that Israel is considering a pre-emptive strike against Iran’s covert nuclear weapons programme.

The Strait of Hormuz is only 21 miles wide at its narrowest point  Photo: ALAMY

Battleships, aircraft carriers, minesweepers and submarines from 25 nations are converging on the strategically important Strait of Hormuz in an unprecedented show of force as Israel and Iran move towards the brink of war.

Western leaders are convinced that Iran will retaliate to any attack by attempting to mine or blockade the shipping lane through which passes around 18 million barrels of oil every day, approximately 35 per cent of the world’s petroleum traded by sea.

A blockade would have a catastrophic effect on the fragile economies of Britain, Europe the United States and Japan, all of which rely heavily on oil and gas supplies from the Gulf.

The Strait of Hormuz is one of the world’s most congested international waterways. It is only 21 miles wide at its narrowest point and is bordered by the Iranian coast to the north and the United Arab Emirates to the south.

Read More:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9545597/A...

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Permalink Reply by Dr Caroline Wright on September 24, 2012 at 11:44am

Thanks Ian ... re 'slow cooked roast' is your preference lamb or chicken? To be followed by tea and an ANZAC biscuit of course. :-)

Kind regards

Caroline

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Permalink Reply by Rae Billett on September 25, 2012 at 5:38pm

When you look closely at the funding of wars its not too unusual to find that both sides get funded by the same people having a bet each way and making vast profits in the process, wars are commonly instigated for the control of resources and the numerous wars in the Middle East are a classic example of this, does anyone seriously think that the major powers would be involved in the Middle East if the area was devoid of oil and other resources.

 

No I don't believe they would be there if not for the oil so, as the Americans have discovered untold oil and gas reserves right in the USofA, they are pulling out. And of course the fact is, they can't afford wars presently. 

 

I just wish they would stop sabre rattling at China, but there is a motive there too and it is all about money again.    

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Permalink Reply by Alyn Roule on September 25, 2012 at 6:44pm

The US has plenty of oil reserves but part of this reserve is in Yellowstone. Many are advocating drilling to reduce the outside reliance but many Politicians, Greens and others are against it.

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