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Permalink Reply by Carol Petith on April 12, 2012 at 4:30pm

Not a pretty place like it used to be. 

The socialists have invaded more than one country and without the use of guns mostly.  All they had to do was to tie us up with stupid laws that we weren't prepared to challenge at the time.  Now it is a big problem to get back what we have lost.  We are being made poor so as we will not be able to defend our rights.

Our young people flock to see the one direction boys and I wonder about their future and the fact that they do not even realize what has happened to their future.  They will look back in disbelief at how their generation was placed in a dreamworld position that conned them all in to not being able to see what was happening.

I think in the years to come some of these young people will be screaming at the leaders who led them into this fool's paradise.

Carol

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Permalink Reply by Robert William Nickisson on April 12, 2012 at 5:34pm

Hi Carol, I personally thought that this illustration of our World today was so important it just had to be available for people to read. I was determined not to allow it to be written off as a Falsehood by the minority. Yes I agree completely with your reply even to having the same thoughts about the screaming crush of our young people flocking to see the one direction boys this morning shown on the TV channels.They little realising they may because of this disaster called a Labor Government run by a Socialist Dictator face their future in the grand role of  a government serf in a Third World economic disaster Country that once was a self-reliant vibrant country called Australia. my best regards to you Robert WN
Carol Petith said:

Not a pretty place like it used to be. 

The socialists have invaded more than one country and without the use of guns mostly.  All they had to do was to tie us up with stupid laws that we weren't prepared to challenge at the time.  Now it is a big problem to get back what we have lost.  We are being made poor so as we will not be able to defend our rights.

Our young people flock to see the one direction boys and I wonder about their future and the fact that they do not even realize what has happened to their future.  They will look back in disbelief at how their generation was placed in a dreamworld position that conned them all in to not being able to see what was happening.

I think in the years to come some of these young people will be screaming at the leaders who led them into this fool's paradise.

Carol

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Permalink Reply by Stephen Cox on April 13, 2012 at 7:15am

Have read this elsewhere and similar sentiments.

When you look at so many threads on Just Grounds one thing becomes a common background the United Nations.

Agenda 21 is behind so many of the things we cover such as the WWF telling Australian cattlemen how to be Sustainable,The CO2 Tax, the mining Tax etc all when you think about it all end up going home to roost at the United Nations.

Illegal imigrants once again the United Nations, Local Government so called sustainability actions are in reality Agenda 21,The actions against private property ownership and what we thought were our rights as individuals though in this case coordinated worldwide through the auspices of ICLEI a blanket organisation that co rdinates Local Councils who are betraying the people.

We all need to read up on Agenda 21 as most of everything we are fighting against comes from there.

 

The State legislature in Georgia in the US has recently agreed fully both sides of the House and the State Senate to fight against the UN's Agenda 21 and fully expose what it means and is to all citizens,other States and Local Governments are taking similar actions across America,How many are aware of that recent change and where are similar actions in Australia

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Permalink Reply by Jan Courtney on April 13, 2012 at 9:29am

Stephen,  we have been through all this Agenda 21 info. over and over again. 

 What we need to concentrate on is getting rid of this socialist government and ensuring that it doesn't become elected again for a very, very long time.

 

We should all be making sure our friends and acquaintances know what is going on,  not by talking about Agenda 21, as many still see that as a conspiracy theory,  but by pointing out the empty shops, the jobs disappearing down the drain, the perpetual inflow of country-shopping boat people, the property ownership issue, the problems being imposed on primary producers and  farmers, the highest carbon tax in the world and all those things.   

 

Put it all in real terms and people might get the message.

 

Cheers Jan.

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Permalink Reply by vivienne skeen on April 13, 2012 at 12:31pm

Problem is Jan, all sides of politics have gone along with this, Agenda 21. It is Agenda 21 that is at the root of all the problems in the entire world.The United Nations want total control. World Governance.

Sure this Socialist Government is speeding up Agenda 21, But, no more than Howard did, Howard's man on Sustainable Development Agenda 21 is still pushing that outside of politics 'Robert Hill' Howard introduced policies of the Kyoto Protocol, part of Agenda 21. the same policies that have stymied Peter Spencer and  many many farmers in Australia, it was sustainable development Agenda 21 that cost the Thompsons in WA their business, how many others ??

I am still in shock at what Howard and his Government did, Howard betrayed the trust of all those who gave him their vote. We ignore these facts at out peril. The entire world has been and is still being conditioned by the UN to take on board their communist manifesto.

Globalwarming/Climate Change Sec. 9 SD A21, Human Settlements Sec 7  A21. The education system in the entire world has been compromised by the United Nations.

Until we understand that all politicians have been complicit in this we will never defeat it, NEVER.

No one can call Agenda 21 a conspiracy its all out there in the open. Agenda 21 is in your local council.

http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_00.shtml

Of course the shops are empty, businesses closing down farmers walking off the land. Remember the words of Maurice Strong at the Rio Earth Summit.

“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?” - Maurice Strong.

Jan Courtney said:

Stephen,  we have been through all this Agenda 21 info. over and over again. 

 What we need to concentrate on is getting rid of this socialist government and ensuring that it doesn't become elected again for a very, very long time.

 

We should all be making sure our friends and acquaintances know what is going on,  not by talking about Agenda 21, as many still see that as a conspiracy theory,  but by pointing out the empty shops, the jobs disappearing down the drain, the perpetual inflow of country-shopping boat people, the property ownership issue, the problems being imposed on primary producers and  farmers, the highest carbon tax in the world and all those things.   

 

Put it all in real terms and people might get the message.

 

Cheers Jan.

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Permalink Reply by Robert William Nickisson on April 14, 2012 at 9:58am

Hi Ian, A Late reply sorry, will look forward to reading your report of the voting and the meeting, as for myself I am for cutting all ties with the UN or anything they are trying to inflict on the World outside of what they were formed to carry out and that was to help foster relations between UNITED but Independent Nations they alone have replaced that charter and are no longer of any value to me, Australia or the World IMO. Forget the carbon footprint it simply leads the stupid and the ridiculous Political conmen to their goal of free Tax money from the air we all breathe and the United Nations nearer to its intended role that of an unelected World Government by stealth, regards and good luck for the meeting outcome.  Robert WN

 
Ian Macrae Yeates said:

Viv & Robert,

Our voting papers have arrived and we're voting tonight.

I have asked all the candidates listed on The Chronicle  website for their views on Agenda 21. Sue Englart has been on council previously and thus knows about Agenda 21;however I'm not sure about spending too much time and money measuring the carbon footprint!

Cheers,

Ian

In 1992 the United Nations passed a non-binding resolution (Agenda 21) that was aimed at encouraging nations to use fewer resources and to conserve open land. The ICLEI is a global network of cities and local government who work to achieve sustainability at the local level. In 1993 the Cities for Climate Protection (CCP) was born. 
Toowoomba City Council (2004-08 term) was invited to be part of CCP. As portfolio chair of Environment and Heritage, I led investigations into membership of this group. We intended to measure the carbon footprint of the city with a view to subsequent reduction of carbon emissions where possible. Amalgamation intervened, and the process halted. 
I seldom now hear the word "sustainabililty" uttered or environmental concerns raised at the local government level. I believe that the initiatives of the ICLEI to achieve sustainability at the local level deserve to be further considered by Council.

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Permalink Reply by Robert William Nickisson on April 14, 2012 at 11:56am

Hi Vivienne, Just regarding John Howard, HE did not sign the Kyoto Agreement and none of these things were a problem until RUDD signed Australia into that never ending United Nations loop. (America has not yet signed and will not ever, and Canada is in the withdrawal non recognition stage meanwhile the Dictatorial African Countries and Pacific Islands atolls will never withdraw as it is free Western Industrial Countries Cash in ever increasing quantities for ever and for their dictators or corrupt political systems to use as they please. Politicians of all creeds agree to many things that are politically sensitive minefields  if they ignore them as was climate change at that time. BUT they are meaningless unless the deal is ratified by signing an agreement in this case the Kyoto agreement, whilst you heap it on Howard just remember he did not sign anything and would never have signed unless America was also in the loop and had signed. The ratifying of Kyoto by that moron Rudd flushed with self-importance and keen to demonstrate it to the World, immediately placed massive monetary obligations on Australia to pay as fines to the United Nation if they did not have the mandatory Carbon sink reserves they had agreed they would provide at the Kyoto agreement. Whilst Howard was in office these agreed deals (never and still not acknowledged) between State and Federal Governments to acquire for free Private Land using State Laws that allow State Governments to take private property without compensation were unnecessary to implement and kept secret, and were really of no consequence whatsoever to the private Australian landholding citizen as neither America or Australia under Howard had any intention of ratifying Kyoto.. Enter the Rudd Labor Government and Rudd ratifying Kyoto within days and without a clue of the Kyoto Agreement content or terms and conditions he single handed overturned Howards complete strategy in that the Australian Government now had to show the UN where the massive Carbon sinks existed and hence Peter Spencer and untold others citizens and farmers Private land was needed immediately to avoid the UN Carbon obligations Kyoto imposed monetary penalties.  Howard had the brains it’s just private citizens have had to pay for Australia’s rush for change. There was once an old saying fool’s rush in it applied to Australia in 2007 and rubbish known previously as Independent Politicians decided the fate of the Hung Parliament according to what they could bribe from a blatant Socialist want to be PM Liar Juliar Gillard for themselves. Australia’s paying the penalty and even with a change of Government may NEVER regain the prosperity enjoyed those years under a stable Howard Liberal Government or at least not in the present generations lifetime IMHO. The damage KNOWN and UNKNOWN has already been accomplished, thank you JULIAR.   Regards Robert WN

 
vivienne skeen said:

Problem is Jan, all sides of politics have gone along with this, Agenda 21. It is Agenda 21 that is at the root of all the problems in the entire world.The United Nations want total control. World Governance.

Sure this Socialist Government is speeding up Agenda 21, But, no more than Howard did, Howard's man on Sustainable Development Agenda 21 is still pushing that outside of politics 'Robert Hill' Howard introduced policies of the Kyoto Protocol, part of Agenda 21. the same policies that have stymied Peter Spencer and  many many farmers in Australia, it was sustainable development Agenda 21 that cost the Thompsons in WA their business, how many others ??

I am still in shock at what Howard and his Government did, Howard betrayed the trust of all those who gave him their vote. We ignore these facts at out peril. The entire world has been and is still being conditioned by the UN to take on board their communist manifesto.

Globalwarming/Climate Change Sec. 9 SD A21, Human Settlements Sec 7  A21. The education system in the entire world has been compromised by the United Nations.

Until we understand that all politicians have been complicit in this we will never defeat it, NEVER.

No one can call Agenda 21 a conspiracy its all out there in the open. Agenda 21 is in your local council.

http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_00.shtml

Of course the shops are empty, businesses closing down farmers walking off the land. Remember the words of Maurice Strong at the Rio Earth Summit.

“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?” - Maurice Strong.

Jan Courtney said:

Stephen,  we have been through all this Agenda 21 info. over and over again. 

 What we need to concentrate on is getting rid of this socialist government and ensuring that it doesn't become elected again for a very, very long time.

 

We should all be making sure our friends and acquaintances know what is going on,  not by talking about Agenda 21, as many still see that as a conspiracy theory,  but by pointing out the empty shops, the jobs disappearing down the drain, the perpetual inflow of country-shopping boat people, the property ownership issue, the problems being imposed on primary producers and  farmers, the highest carbon tax in the world and all those things.   

 

Put it all in real terms and people might get the message.

 

Cheers Jan.

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Permalink Reply by Robert William Nickisson on April 14, 2012 at 12:12pm

Hi Stephen, as has been stated here already in this discussion Agenda 21 is a disaster for Australia and the other stupid Nations that even countenance it. BUT our only task up to the next Election is to work towards removing the Juliar Labor Government from Australian Politics if we want any action taken that will restore Australia from the brink of third world existence in the coming years. Write opposing 21 to local councils even favourable to it State Governments but on the Federal scene Agenda 21 just has to wait for now. Use your energy to Get behind Abbott and get Juliar and LL (lying Labor) out of our lives for good. Regards Robert WN.

Stephen Cox said:

Have read this elsewhere and similar sentiments.

When you look at so many threads on Just Grounds one thing becomes a common background the United Nations.

Agenda 21 is behind so many of the things we cover such as the WWF telling Australian cattlemen how to be Sustainable,The CO2 Tax, the mining Tax etc all when you think about it all end up going home to roost at the United Nations.

Illegal imigrants once again the United Nations, Local Government so called sustainability actions are in reality Agenda 21,The actions against private property ownership and what we thought were our rights as individuals though in this case coordinated worldwide through the auspices of ICLEI a blanket organisation that co rdinates Local Councils who are betraying the people.

We all need to read up on Agenda 21 as most of everything we are fighting against comes from there.

 

The State legislature in Georgia in the US has recently agreed fully both sides of the House and the State Senate to fight against the UN's Agenda 21 and fully expose what it means and is to all citizens,other States and Local Governments are taking similar actions across America,How many are aware of that recent change and where are similar actions in Australia

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Permalink Reply by vivienne skeen on April 14, 2012 at 12:34pm

Hi Roberts,

Everyone thinks Howard's hands are clean in regard to the Kyoto Protocol and its policies, not so. Howard did not sign the Kyoto Protocol, but he did implement Kyoto policies, and Howard's Minister Robert Hill pushed the UN Agenda 21 treaty and continues to do so, in private business.  Its a shock, I am still reeling from that knowledge.

Vivienne

Robert William Nickisson said:

Hi Vivienne, Just regarding John Howard, HE did not sign the Kyoto Agreement and none of these things were a problem until RUDD signed Australia into that never ending United Nations loop. (America has not yet signed and will not ever, and Canada is in the withdrawal non recognition stage meanwhile the Dictatorial African Countries and Pacific Islands atolls will never withdraw as it is free Western Industrial Countries Cash in ever increasing quantities for ever and for their dictators or corrupt political systems to use as they please. Politicians of all creeds agree to many things that are politically sensitive minefields  if they ignore them as was climate change at that time. BUT they are meaningless unless the deal is ratified by signing an agreement in this case the Kyoto agreement, whilst you heap it on Howard just remember he did not sign anything and would never have signed unless America was also in the loop and had signed. The ratifying of Kyoto by that moron Rudd flushed with self-importance and keen to demonstrate it to the World, immediately placed massive monetary obligations on Australia to pay as fines to the United Nation if they did not have the mandatory Carbon sink reserves they had agreed they would provide at the Kyoto agreement. Whilst Howard was in office these agreed deals (never and still not acknowledged) between State and Federal Governments to acquire for free Private Land using State Laws that allow State Governments to take private property without compensation were unnecessary to implement and kept secret, and were really of no consequence whatsoever to the private Australian landholding citizen as neither America or Australia under Howard had any intention of ratifying Kyoto.. Enter the Rudd Labor Government and Rudd ratifying Kyoto within days and without a clue of the Kyoto Agreement content or terms and conditions he single handed overturned Howards complete strategy in that the Australian Government now had to show the UN where the massive Carbon sinks existed and hence Peter Spencer and untold others citizens and farmers Private land was needed immediately to avoid the UN Carbon obligations Kyoto imposed monetary penalties.  Howard had the brains it’s just private citizens have had to pay for Australia’s rush for change. There was once an old saying fool’s rush in it applied to Australia in 2007 and rubbish known previously as Independent Politicians decided the fate of the Hung Parliament according to what they could bribe from a blatant Socialist want to be PM Liar Juliar Gillard for themselves. Australia’s paying the penalty and even with a change of Government may NEVER regain the prosperity enjoyed those years under a stable Howard Liberal Government or at least not in the present generations lifetime IMHO. The damage KNOWN and UNKNOWN has already been accomplished, thank you JULIAR.   Regards Robert WN

 
vivienne skeen said:

Problem is Jan, all sides of politics have gone along with this, Agenda 21. It is Agenda 21 that is at the root of all the problems in the entire world.The United Nations want total control. World Governance.

Sure this Socialist Government is speeding up Agenda 21, But, no more than Howard did, Howard's man on Sustainable Development Agenda 21 is still pushing that outside of politics 'Robert Hill' Howard introduced policies of the Kyoto Protocol, part of Agenda 21. the same policies that have stymied Peter Spencer and  many many farmers in Australia, it was sustainable development Agenda 21 that cost the Thompsons in WA their business, how many others ??

I am still in shock at what Howard and his Government did, Howard betrayed the trust of all those who gave him their vote. We ignore these facts at out peril. The entire world has been and is still being conditioned by the UN to take on board their communist manifesto.

Globalwarming/Climate Change Sec. 9 SD A21, Human Settlements Sec 7  A21. The education system in the entire world has been compromised by the United Nations.

Until we understand that all politicians have been complicit in this we will never defeat it, NEVER.

No one can call Agenda 21 a conspiracy its all out there in the open. Agenda 21 is in your local council.

http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_00.shtml

Of course the shops are empty, businesses closing down farmers walking off the land. Remember the words of Maurice Strong at the Rio Earth Summit.

“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?” - Maurice Strong.

Jan Courtney said:

Stephen,  we have been through all this Agenda 21 info. over and over again. 

 What we need to concentrate on is getting rid of this socialist government and ensuring that it doesn't become elected again for a very, very long time.

 

We should all be making sure our friends and acquaintances know what is going on,  not by talking about Agenda 21, as many still see that as a conspiracy theory,  but by pointing out the empty shops, the jobs disappearing down the drain, the perpetual inflow of country-shopping boat people, the property ownership issue, the problems being imposed on primary producers and  farmers, the highest carbon tax in the world and all those things.   

 

Put it all in real terms and people might get the message.

 

Cheers Jan.

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Permalink Reply by Robert William Nickisson on April 14, 2012 at 6:47pm

Hi Vivienne, I did not say Howards hands were clean I was merely explaining the circumstances prevailing in those Kyoto World mad  save the Planet at any cost times due to UN IPCC generated fear of an imminent disaster, glaciers melting as you watch, no more water for continents, sea rising to include the coastline shifting to Bathurst hysteria. Agenda 21 is not a UN binding Resolution or commitment but has been sold by the UN very insidiously and embraced by Labor State and Federal Governments and Politicians and the Greens in Local Shire Councils and Councillors these are just Power hungry little people who lust for more and more control over the lives of their electorate. With the NSW Coastal Councils it is mostly so they can gain control over private Citizens and their coastal private property. The solution lies with the people of the Shire if they do not like Agenda 21 remove the Council at the next election and trash Agenda 21..When the Premier of NSW (non-core promise Barry) was in opposition he called  the Federal and State Labor Governments Sea Rise Legislation they had instructed the NSW Coastal Councils to implement. The Coastal Destruction Act but after more than a year and with a total mandate for change The Labor Governments Sea Rise Legislation he called the Coastal Destruction Act is still the Law under his Government. But then BOF is like Juliar quite accomplished at the art of lying as his record after the Election of what he told people he would do and then explained to them when elected that it was not a core promise, has amply illustrated. Regards Robert WN

 vivienne skeen said:

Hi Roberts,

Everyone thinks Howard's hands are clean in regard to the Kyoto Protocol and its policies, not so. Howard did not sign the Kyoto Protocol, but he did implement Kyoto policies, and Howard's Minister Robert Hill pushed the UN Agenda 21 treaty and continues to do so, in private business.  Its a shock, I am still reeling from that knowledge.

Vivienne

Robert William Nickisson said:

Hi Vivienne, Just regarding John Howard, HE did not sign the Kyoto Agreement and none of these things were a problem until RUDD signed Australia into that never ending United Nations loop. (America has not yet signed and will not ever, and Canada is in the withdrawal non recognition stage meanwhile the Dictatorial African Countries and Pacific Islands atolls will never withdraw as it is free Western Industrial Countries Cash in ever increasing quantities for ever and for their dictators or corrupt political systems to use as they please. Politicians of all creeds agree to many things that are politically sensitive minefields  if they ignore them as was climate change at that time. BUT they are meaningless unless the deal is ratified by signing an agreement in this case the Kyoto agreement, whilst you heap it on Howard just remember he did not sign anything and would never have signed unless America was also in the loop and had signed. The ratifying of Kyoto by that moron Rudd flushed with self-importance and keen to demonstrate it to the World, immediately placed massive monetary obligations on Australia to pay as fines to the United Nation if they did not have the mandatory Carbon sink reserves they had agreed they would provide at the Kyoto agreement. Whilst Howard was in office these agreed deals (never and still not acknowledged) between State and Federal Governments to acquire for free Private Land using State Laws that allow State Governments to take private property without compensation were unnecessary to implement and kept secret, and were really of no consequence whatsoever to the private Australian landholding citizen as neither America or Australia under Howard had any intention of ratifying Kyoto.. Enter the Rudd Labor Government and Rudd ratifying Kyoto within days and without a clue of the Kyoto Agreement content or terms and conditions he single handed overturned Howards complete strategy in that the Australian Government now had to show the UN where the massive Carbon sinks existed and hence Peter Spencer and untold others citizens and farmers Private land was needed immediately to avoid the UN Carbon obligations Kyoto imposed monetary penalties.  Howard had the brains it’s just private citizens have had to pay for Australia’s rush for change. There was once an old saying fool’s rush in it applied to Australia in 2007 and rubbish known previously as Independent Politicians decided the fate of the Hung Parliament according to what they could bribe from a blatant Socialist want to be PM Liar Juliar Gillard for themselves. Australia’s paying the penalty and even with a change of Government may NEVER regain the prosperity enjoyed those years under a stable Howard Liberal Government or at least not in the present generations lifetime IMHO. The damage KNOWN and UNKNOWN has already been accomplished, thank you JULIAR.   Regards Robert WN

 
vivienne skeen said:

Problem is Jan, all sides of politics have gone along with this, Agenda 21. It is Agenda 21 that is at the root of all the problems in the entire world.The United Nations want total control. World Governance.

Sure this Socialist Government is speeding up Agenda 21, But, no more than Howard did, Howard's man on Sustainable Development Agenda 21 is still pushing that outside of politics 'Robert Hill' Howard introduced policies of the Kyoto Protocol, part of Agenda 21. the same policies that have stymied Peter Spencer and  many many farmers in Australia, it was sustainable development Agenda 21 that cost the Thompsons in WA their business, how many others ??

I am still in shock at what Howard and his Government did, Howard betrayed the trust of all those who gave him their vote. We ignore these facts at out peril. The entire world has been and is still being conditioned by the UN to take on board their communist manifesto.

Globalwarming/Climate Change Sec. 9 SD A21, Human Settlements Sec 7  A21. The education system in the entire world has been compromised by the United Nations.

Until we understand that all politicians have been complicit in this we will never defeat it, NEVER.

No one can call Agenda 21 a conspiracy its all out there in the open. Agenda 21 is in your local council.

http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_00.shtml

Of course the shops are empty, businesses closing down farmers walking off the land. Remember the words of Maurice Strong at the Rio Earth Summit.

“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?” - Maurice Strong.

Jan Courtney said:

Stephen,  we have been through all this Agenda 21 info. over and over again. 

 What we need to concentrate on is getting rid of this socialist government and ensuring that it doesn't become elected again for a very, very long time.

 

We should all be making sure our friends and acquaintances know what is going on,  not by talking about Agenda 21, as many still see that as a conspiracy theory,  but by pointing out the empty shops, the jobs disappearing down the drain, the perpetual inflow of country-shopping boat people, the property ownership issue, the problems being imposed on primary producers and  farmers, the highest carbon tax in the world and all those things.   

 

Put it all in real terms and people might get the message.

 

Cheers Jan.

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Permalink Reply by vivienne skeen on April 14, 2012 at 8:57pm

Hi Robert,

This is the very thing that worries me, in Victoria Ted Baillieu has continued with 'smart meters' part of the Labor Plan. Smart meters are an integral part of Agenda 21, that decision has lost the Liberals in Victoria a lot of votes.

I thought we were very lucky when Abbott beat Turnbull, even by 1 vote, he has done an amazing job since, and I am sure he will win the next election. But, what will change for us regarding the treaties of the Communist UN?

Agenda 21 is making very strong inroads into our way of life, as are other treaties of the UN. Burke announcing the Green Corridors. We have to wake up, we have to make the Liberals and Nationals wake up. What or who is behind the policies of the Coalition, is it the people we vote for or the Party Leaders outside of parliament, or?????

I was very disappointed, after TA announced that the science of GW was crap! then soon afterward announced the abatement plan, still going on with the UN fraud, Greg Hunt should be removed. The whole thing makes me sick, and very very worried for the future of this country.

The world  is being conditioned by the UN and our politicians are aiding and abetting them.

Robert William Nickisson said:

Hi Vivienne, I did not say Howards hands were clean I was merely explaining the circumstances prevailing in those Kyoto World mad  save the Planet at any cost times due to UN IPCC generated fear of an imminent disaster, glaciers melting as you watch, no more water for continents, sea rising to include the coastline shifting to Bathurst hysteria. Agenda 21 is not a UN binding Resolution or commitment but has been sold by the UN very insidiously and embraced by Labor State and Federal Governments and Politicians and the Greens in Local Shire Councils and Councillors these are just Power hungry little people who lust for more and more control over the lives of their electorate. With the NSW Coastal Councils it is mostly so they can gain control over private Citizens and their coastal private property. The solution lies with the people of the Shire if they do not like Agenda 21 remove the Council at the next election and trash Agenda 21..When the Premier of NSW (non-core promise Barry) was in opposition he called  the Federal and State Labor Governments Sea Rise Legislation they had instructed the NSW Coastal Councils to implement. The Coastal Destruction Act but after more than a year and with a total mandate for change The Labor Governments Sea Rise Legislation he called the Coastal Destruction Act is still the Law under his Government. But then BOF is like Juliar quite accomplished at the art of lying as his record after the Election of what he told people he would do and then explained to them when elected that it was not a core promise, has amply illustrated. Regards Robert WN

 vivienne skeen said:

Hi Roberts,

Everyone thinks Howard's hands are clean in regard to the Kyoto Protocol and its policies, not so. Howard did not sign the Kyoto Protocol, but he did implement Kyoto policies, and Howard's Minister Robert Hill pushed the UN Agenda 21 treaty and continues to do so, in private business.  Its a shock, I am still reeling from that knowledge.

Vivienne

Robert William Nickisson said:

Hi Vivienne, Just regarding John Howard, HE did not sign the Kyoto Agreement and none of these things were a problem until RUDD signed Australia into that never ending United Nations loop. (America has not yet signed and will not ever, and Canada is in the withdrawal non recognition stage meanwhile the Dictatorial African Countries and Pacific Islands atolls will never withdraw as it is free Western Industrial Countries Cash in ever increasing quantities for ever and for their dictators or corrupt political systems to use as they please. Politicians of all creeds agree to many things that are politically sensitive minefields  if they ignore them as was climate change at that time. BUT they are meaningless unless the deal is ratified by signing an agreement in this case the Kyoto agreement, whilst you heap it on Howard just remember he did not sign anything and would never have signed unless America was also in the loop and had signed. The ratifying of Kyoto by that moron Rudd flushed with self-importance and keen to demonstrate it to the World, immediately placed massive monetary obligations on Australia to pay as fines to the United Nation if they did not have the mandatory Carbon sink reserves they had agreed they would provide at the Kyoto agreement. Whilst Howard was in office these agreed deals (never and still not acknowledged) between State and Federal Governments to acquire for free Private Land using State Laws that allow State Governments to take private property without compensation were unnecessary to implement and kept secret, and were really of no consequence whatsoever to the private Australian landholding citizen as neither America or Australia under Howard had any intention of ratifying Kyoto.. Enter the Rudd Labor Government and Rudd ratifying Kyoto within days and without a clue of the Kyoto Agreement content or terms and conditions he single handed overturned Howards complete strategy in that the Australian Government now had to show the UN where the massive Carbon sinks existed and hence Peter Spencer and untold others citizens and farmers Private land was needed immediately to avoid the UN Carbon obligations Kyoto imposed monetary penalties.  Howard had the brains it’s just private citizens have had to pay for Australia’s rush for change. There was once an old saying fool’s rush in it applied to Australia in 2007 and rubbish known previously as Independent Politicians decided the fate of the Hung Parliament according to what they could bribe from a blatant Socialist want to be PM Liar Juliar Gillard for themselves. Australia’s paying the penalty and even with a change of Government may NEVER regain the prosperity enjoyed those years under a stable Howard Liberal Government or at least not in the present generations lifetime IMHO. The damage KNOWN and UNKNOWN has already been accomplished, thank you JULIAR.   Regards Robert WN

 
vivienne skeen said:

Problem is Jan, all sides of politics have gone along with this, Agenda 21. It is Agenda 21 that is at the root of all the problems in the entire world.The United Nations want total control. World Governance.

Sure this Socialist Government is speeding up Agenda 21, But, no more than Howard did, Howard's man on Sustainable Development Agenda 21 is still pushing that outside of politics 'Robert Hill' Howard introduced policies of the Kyoto Protocol, part of Agenda 21. the same policies that have stymied Peter Spencer and  many many farmers in Australia, it was sustainable development Agenda 21 that cost the Thompsons in WA their business, how many others ??

I am still in shock at what Howard and his Government did, Howard betrayed the trust of all those who gave him their vote. We ignore these facts at out peril. The entire world has been and is still being conditioned by the UN to take on board their communist manifesto.

Globalwarming/Climate Change Sec. 9 SD A21, Human Settlements Sec 7  A21. The education system in the entire world has been compromised by the United Nations.

Until we understand that all politicians have been complicit in this we will never defeat it, NEVER.

No one can call Agenda 21 a conspiracy its all out there in the open. Agenda 21 is in your local council.

http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_00.shtml

Of course the shops are empty, businesses closing down farmers walking off the land. Remember the words of Maurice Strong at the Rio Earth Summit.

“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?” - Maurice Strong.

Jan Courtney said:

Stephen,  we have been through all this Agenda 21 info. over and over again. 

 What we need to concentrate on is getting rid of this socialist government and ensuring that it doesn't become elected again for a very, very long time.

 

We should all be making sure our friends and acquaintances know what is going on,  not by talking about Agenda 21, as many still see that as a conspiracy theory,  but by pointing out the empty shops, the jobs disappearing down the drain, the perpetual inflow of country-shopping boat people, the property ownership issue, the problems being imposed on primary producers and  farmers, the highest carbon tax in the world and all those things.   

 

Put it all in real terms and people might get the message.

 

Cheers Jan.

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Permalink Reply by vivienne skeen on April 14, 2012 at 9:02pm

Anyone seen this?

AUSTRALIA is five weeks away from signing a crucial strategic agreement with Afghanistan that could cost hundreds of millions of dollars and outline Australia's postwar role there, but the government has yet to inform the public of its existence.

The previously unrevealed pact, disclosed by the office of the Afghan President, Hamid Karzai, this week, is a strategic agreement that will mean Canberra provides hundreds of millions of dollars in aid in the post-2014 decade.

http://www.watoday.com.au/opinion/political-news/public-left-in-dar...

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