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Permalink Reply by Anna 'Goanna' Hetherington-Grego on August 26, 2011 at 9:44am

URGENT

Julene,  I have sent you an urgent message.  I am hoping you could read that asap.  Many TA-s Goanna

I couldnt locate Dale

Permalink Reply by Julie Just on August 26, 2011 at 10:58am

Denise the link comes up blank for me & I can't find any reference in the  Blog section regarding TA on there.  So where should be be posting the questions to TA?

Denise Scanlan said:

Tony Abbott will be attending a live blog on this site at 3.30pm today. You can post comments on this page for him to answer. No comments there yet. He also mentions Albanese comment.

 

 

She’s the prime minister who has been selected, not elected: first by the factions after the political assassination of Kevin Rudd, and then by the Greens and the independents in a hung parliament.

Since then, the Prime Minister has had no plan to govern, just to survive. She’s committed to a carbon tax because Senator Bob Brown made it a condition of his support. She dumped hospital reform because the states wouldn’t give up their GST. 

She’s committed to an expensive and ineffective poker machine measure because an independent demands it. And she has to keep expressing “full confidence” in Craig Thomson, the embattled member for Dobell, because he holds her keys to the Lodge.

This week the government has been focussed on protecting Craig Thomson’s job when the public want it focussed on protecting their jobs. 

Instead, the Prime Minister has been in hiding, Mr Thomson has been in protection and the government has been in paralysis. 

 

 

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/yoursay/index.php/dailytele...

Permalink Reply by Darryl Ross Pedersen on August 26, 2011 at 11:02am

Hi Julene,

I finally have had a chance to have a look at the great work that has been done here on Just Grounds while we have been on the road and in Canberra.  The team at Just Grounds needs to be commended on their efforts throughout this event.  As the Pink convoy leader I am exptremely proud of each and every one of them they way they conducted themselves as done us all proud.  People from so many different industries all come together for this country.  I would like to Thank each and every one that have taken part in any way YOU HAVE ALL DONE YOUR COUNTRY PROUD.

Permalink Reply by Julie Just on August 26, 2011 at 11:07am

Denise, scrap my previous post, finally found it & have put the link on facebook as well.

Permalink Reply by Heather Wallace on August 26, 2011 at 11:10am

Good on you Darryl, I hear that you were a mighty good convoy leader for the pink crew. Top effort and thank you so much for your wonderful effort in getting everyone their without incident.

Darryl Ross Pedersen said:

Hi Julene,

I finally have had a chance to have a look at the great work that has been done here on Just Grounds while we have been on the road and in Canberra.  The team at Just Grounds needs to be commended on their efforts throughout this event.  As the Pink convoy leader I am exptremely proud of each and every one of them they way they conducted themselves as done us all proud.  People from so many different industries all come together for this country.  I would like to Thank each and every one that have taken part in any way YOU HAVE ALL DONE YOUR COUNTRY PROUD.

Permalink Reply by Paul Starr on August 26, 2011 at 12:32pm

Questions for Tony Abbott.

1st.  What can we do as a group to help him - will a million signatures have the desired effect?
Would a co-ordinated mass rally out the front of every ALP office in the land work (certainly easier than driving thousands of k's)

2nd.  There are a lot of people sitting on the fence who would normally vote for an Independent but now are losing confidence generally. On their behalf I am asking if Tony Abbott would kindly repeat in the near future in Parliament, that he will in fact recind the carbon tax and do so with the greatest conviction he can muster.
The bigger question being : If Gillard embeds the tax deeply in a sea of legislation does he feel confident that the tax would still be recinded no matter what ? 

Finally : Would Tony consider removing COMPULSORY VOTING and does he suspect as we do that many of those who are forced to vote are not Liberal voters anyway - thus enormously to his advanrage?
many of us believe it is UNDEMOCRACTIC and not in the interests of the LNP.

many thanks

Permalink Reply by Paul Starr on August 26, 2011 at 1:14pm

Thanks for that Peter.
From where I stand, or should I say, from here on "The Peninsula" (Woy Woy / Umina), I have a lot of personal contact with locals who are on the dole, on benefits and literally do nothing everyday except watch I Love Lucy on TV - very few of them know for sure who the PM is and are usually drunk by 9-30 am - their children don't work nor do their many grandchildren - these are going to be voters.
I believe that here in Oz we would score a better result than in Switzerland.
Ofcourse in the U.S where it is not compulsory they also have ended up with a Socialist in power. So maybe it's something worth debating at least. But I think it's worth asking Tony what he thinks - I am convinced it all starts with education and we all know the kids are being indoctrinated and propoganderised (if that's a word) - my son at Uni has confirmed the leftist indoctrination on campus. 
So maybe we get back to basics and educate the educators first.
Paul  

Peter Heuscher said:

Hi Paul,

Is aw Tony Abbott at the rally (a video) and he absolutely and positively stated, that he will recind the carbon tax - no matter what. He will win the next election because of abolishing the carbon tax and I think he is not lying like JG.

 

To your last point about "compulsary voting" your thought might be ok but I have personal experience with NO COMPULSORY VOTING in Switzerland from where I come from.
Think about it: We had 35% voting in total - so just 18% of the "voters" decided and still decide the outcome of an election or any referendum. That is 18% which determine the faith of 9 M people.

Just a thought. I think it's a lot better everbody has to vote - but we have to ensure that they know what they are doing - not like in the last election when lots of people voted Green just not to vote for ALP and tech them a lesson. Well - we learned the lesson now the hard way.

If there is an election - we just have to vote for the Coalition and as a second preference for an absolute un-significant party or candidate. It's the only way.

Cheers. 

Paul Starr said:

Questions for Tony Abbott.

1st.  What can we do as a group to help him - will a million signatures have the desired effect?
Would a co-ordinated mass rally out the front of every ALP office in the land work (certainly easier than driving thousands of k's)

2nd.  There are a lot of people sitting on the fence who would normally vote for an Independent but now are losing confidence generally. On their behalf I am asking if Tony Abbott would kindly repeat in the near future in Parliament, that he will in fact recind the carbon tax and do so with the greatest conviction he can muster.
The bigger question being : If Gillard embeds the tax deeply in a sea of legislation does he feel confident that the tax would still be recinded no matter what ? 

Finally : Would Tony consider removing COMPULSORY VOTING and does he suspect as we do that many of those who are forced to vote are not Liberal voters anyway - thus enormously to his advanrage?
many of us believe it is UNDEMOCRACTIC and not in the interests of the LNP.

many thanks

Permalink Reply by Elizebeth Flower on August 26, 2011 at 1:24pm

Good comment from Tony Abbott, Denise. I also liked his introductory punchline:

 

This week marked the first anniversary of the election that no one really won. Julia Gillard was ultimately chosen by the Greens and the independents, not by the people. 

Denise Scanlan said:

Tony Abbott will be attending a live blog on this site at 3.30pm today. You can post comments on this page for him to answer. No comments there yet. He also mentions Albanese comment.

 

 

She’s the prime minister who has been selected, not elected: first by the factions after the political assassination of Kevin Rudd, and then by the Greens and the independents in a hung parliament.

Since then, the Prime Minister has had no plan to govern, just to survive. She’s committed to a carbon tax because Senator Bob Brown made it a condition of his support. She dumped hospital reform because the states wouldn’t give up their GST. 

She’s committed to an expensive and ineffective poker machine measure because an independent demands it. And she has to keep expressing “full confidence” in Craig Thomson, the embattled member for Dobell, because he holds her keys to the Lodge.

This week the government has been focussed on protecting Craig Thomson’s job when the public want it focussed on protecting their jobs. 

Instead, the Prime Minister has been in hiding, Mr Thomson has been in protection and the government has been in paralysis. 

 

 

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/yoursay/index.php/dailytele...

Permalink Reply by Elizebeth Flower on August 26, 2011 at 1:28pm

Brian, I believe I've voted in this mini referendum poll. Somehow we need to get it more widely publicised.

Brian Buckley said:

Hi James, 

Its a good try but the threat of expulsion from the Labor party will put a damper on that, yet there may be 2 Labor members who have the foresight to put there love of Australia before there party partisan 

politics which will destroy this country.

What is needed now to go ahead after the Convoy is for all concerned groups to work together for the common cause.

So go ahead with the petitions , eventually they will be presented to Parliament and no further action as the numbers against will ensure that the Petition to just lay on the order table, gathering dust.

There are many organisations such as Just Grounds,Stop the Gillard Carbon Tax,Gallileo Movement, etc, all looking for funding to spread their word.

Why not approach ATIA, Australian Trade and Industry Alliance) whose 7  members are 

1)Manufacturing Australia, (2) Australian Coal Association,(Housing Industry Association,(4)Australian Retailers Association,(5)Australian Chamber of Commerce & Industry,(6)Mineral Council of Australia

(7)Australian Steel Institute.

All of these groups are against the Carbon Tax and should be asked to contribute working funds towards our cause.

The last two options are to vote on the only Australia wide online mini referendum poll , 

WWW.OZVOTERSONLINE.COM.AU, and when  we reach   over 51% of the voting electorate  with a majority vote above 70% against the Carbon Tax, then a combined approach to the Governor -General requesting she not sign off the legislation assuming it passes the Parliament, using the analogy that under the unwritten RESERVE POWERS , she refuses to sign off because an absolute majority of voters say it is not in the Australian National or Peoples Interest , and let it be decided by a future Parliament elected after a Double Dissolution election. Because the Reserve Powers are unwritten , and whilst it has never been previously invoked and the Governor-Generals main role is the protector of the Constitution to ensure it it works in the interests of all Australians.

 

So lets get to it--  lets push on  and get the job done.

james darby said:

Thankyou Julene Haack for Post-Convoy Plan site. I will post later about my plans to Stop The Tax. The actuality that Gillard will not listen to the people has come home. All that will save Australia now is finding two Labor MP's who will cross the floor. I welcome any suggestions as to which two ALP Pollies are the most vunerable with regard to wanting to keep their Seat in Parliament.

Permalink Reply by Elizebeth Flower on August 26, 2011 at 1:38pm

So true Paul.

Excerpt from Paul Starr: we all know the kids are being indoctrinated and propoganderised (if that's a word) - my son at Uni has confirmed the leftist indoctrination on campus. 
So maybe we get back to basics and educate the educators first.

I was really impressed by a comment from Christopher Pyne, Lib Opposition Education spokesman, on Lateline prior to the last election. Can't remember his exact words, but he claimed that the Liberals would get rid of the social engineering in the classroom and replace it with sound teaching.

I believe it is the indoctrination that has been taking place in the classroom for some years now that will be the downfall of Australia over the next few generations if not reversed.

Permalink Reply by Roger Rankin Crook on August 26, 2011 at 1:48pm

Paul wrote:my son at Uni has confirmed the leftist indoctrination on campus.

Tongue in cheek I write: So nothing has really changed since the sixties. And here we are fifty years later.

R

Permalink Reply by Jeanette Hayden on August 26, 2011 at 1:56pm

The Commonwealth heads of government come to Perth in October, Including  the Queen and our GG. We need to make as much fuss and noise as possible the whole time that is on. This would also give Western Australians a chomp at the fight.

It would need demonstrations, convoys, noise etc etc and any other ideas that anyone else can think of to make the message clear that we want an election and are not happy with the status quo.

 

Just an idea.

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