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Permalink Reply by Rob Moore on September 8, 2011 at 8:44am

tick, tick, tick, tick, tick...

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Permalink Reply by Rob Moore on September 9, 2011 at 6:10pm

This whole debate which has emerged on the radar in the last 5 years- is nothing to do with temp, sea levels,CO2 but is everything to do with global money transfers in the form of air trading and mandatory levies to the UN committees. All of the Financial houses have their carbon desks set up and will make commissions out of the product sales (air) It will only last a year or so for the mandated price of $23per tonne to collapse like it has in Europe -but in the meantime -fortunes will be bled offshore.

Both parties in Oz have a click who like this idea and Kyoto is the shop front for the game. Simple fact is that without the Native Vegetation Acts that enforced “Land Use Change”- Australia would be running at 133% of its 1990 level of CO2 emmissions- instead of the 108%- pass level which avoids massive penalties.

Most first world countries haven’t a hope in hell of complying and won’t go near signing Kyoto- even though they give it lip service. Rudd couldn’t wait to sign it in 2008. the tree’s lockup accounted to offsetting about 97%of the inevitable increase due to population and industry activities in this 22 year period.
This is the sole reason that Rudd and Gillard inherited a situation that enabled them to grandstand on the world stage- thinking that it won’t cost them anything.

This self destructing mob have one last mission to there masters and that is to ram the Clean energy bills through before the wheels fall off Bob Browns horse and buggy.The new Govt will be hard pressed to unscramble the web of bills set in train. eg I’m sure Flannery will get his $180K per year for the next four years irrespective of what happens- contract and all!

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Permalink Reply by Elizebeth Flower on September 9, 2011 at 11:01pm

Thanks for this overview, Rob, and for keeping us posted. 

The government's unholy haste to ram the Clean energy bills through before the wheels fall off Bob Browns horse and buggy, as you say, and the fact that the new government will be hard pressed to unscramble the web of bills set in train, just goes to show why Peter's mission is so vital and why time is of the essence.

I never cease to marvel at Peter's tenacity. 

 

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Permalink Reply by wally mitchell on September 11, 2011 at 8:23pm

Maybe their next get out of jail for free bs will have to do with camel elimination and burning restriction  in the north. Meanwhile Penny Wong has got 3 million stolen tradeable certificates banked at UN to sell to our 500 so called biggest polluters for 23 dollars.Some of this money will go to compensate families,  some to greener energies etc. I also am led to think that the Government will be able to buy certificates for 3-4 dollars (what they are trading for overseas) with this money to sell at a minimum of 15 dollars to 'polluters' in Australia.

Rob Moore said:

This whole debate which has emerged on the radar in the last 5 years- is nothing to do with temp, sea levels,CO2 but is everything to do with global money transfers in the form of air trading and mandatory levies to the UN committees. All of the Financial houses have their carbon desks set up and will make commissions out of the product sales (air) It will only last a year or so for the mandated price of $23per tonne to collapse like it has in Europe -but in the meantime -fortunes will be bled offshore.

Both parties in Oz have a click who like this idea and Kyoto is the shop front for the game. Simple fact is that without the Native Vegetation Acts that enforced “Land Use Change”- Australia would be running at 133% of its 1990 level of CO2 emmissions- instead of the 108%- pass level which avoids massive penalties.

Most first world countries haven’t a hope in hell of complying and won’t go near signing Kyoto- even though they give it lip service. Rudd couldn’t wait to sign it in 2008. the tree’s lockup accounted to offsetting about 97%of the inevitable increase due to population and industry activities in this 22 year period.
This is the sole reason that Rudd and Gillard inherited a situation that enabled them to grandstand on the world stage- thinking that it won’t cost them anything.

This self destructing mob have one last mission to there masters and that is to ram the Clean energy bills through before the wheels fall off Bob Browns horse and buggy.The new Govt will be hard pressed to unscramble the web of bills set in train. eg I’m sure Flannery will get his $180K per year for the next four years irrespective of what happens- contract and all!

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Permalink Reply by Stephen Cox on September 11, 2011 at 8:35pm

Seeing as how in NSW we are already sighned up to this UN BS in the form of the labour Government instituted GGAS ( Greenhouse Gas Abatement Scheme) the reason why Electricity bills are so high in NSW as well as other charges levied on NSW Taxpayers and Citizens.

 

This brings me to a point of Law possibly,would it not be Illegal to tax someone twice for the same reason.

There is a real possibility that the already in Place NSW scheme and others I am not aware of in different states would make the Commonwaelth Scheme(I mean Scam) in breach of the Australian constitution regarding the rights of states regarding Collection of State Taxes.

Possibly Mr O Farrell or his relevant minister could look into this aspect as a means to stop this travesty of Illegal and Immoral actions by the Gillard Brown Government.

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Permalink Reply by Rob Moore on September 12, 2011 at 7:04am

Amazing isn't it Wally.

 

Couldn't get away with this behaviour in a game of Monopoly. See here-

               http://justgroundsonline.com/forum/topics/northern-development

A long transcript of a very good speech by Barnaby and I will copy a relevent bit from it.-

 

Even on the conservative side we have made excuses for things that should, if we were philosophically sincere, be anathema to us. We have not only sat idly by but have participated in the removal of property rights. We justified it by saying it was good for people to have their vegetation rights stolen by the government. We agree with the closure of fisheries because of arbitrary lines on a map looked good and made us feel good that we created marine parks.

 

We seem to have progressed to this pseudo-religious belief that every tree is sacred. Not only is every tree sacred, but so is every drop of water and is owned by government even though it was delivered by God. We are listening to people who honestly want to shut down the Murray-Darling basin rather than calling it for what it is, barking mad legislative lunacy. If you carry on like that, not only will you go broke, you deserve to go broke

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Permalink Reply by Rob Moore on November 15, 2011 at 1:28pm

I posted this letter on the 6th of August and it had a 7 day ultimatum!

 

We all know the recent history and the "Clean Energy Bills " are about to be signed off by the Governor General. In other words- total disregard for the rule of law.

 

Stolen carbon credits are set to be traded and the victims will be seeking retribution- more to come soon.

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