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While Cardinal Pell has done well to combat climate change, in other areas his leadership has been dismal. There can be no denying that the Catholic Church has been in one horrible mess for several decades. While scandal is nothing new, the current crisis in the Catholic Church is remarkable for the prevalence of unnatural vice. Unfortunately this is not a problem confined to America or Australia - it's worldwide and extends even to the Vatican. Even in much better times for the Church, the great St John Chrysostom famously remarked that the "floors of hell were paved with the skulls of rotten bishops". The fact the Catholic Church has survived so many scandals and corrupt leaders (including popes) is further proof of Divine guidance. Napoleon once threatened a French Cardinal that he would soon destroy the Catholic Church to which the Cardinal responded "No you won't - not even us Cardinals have been able to destroy the Church!"
Indeed I have tried Dennis and told him that it was not his fault...but he has carried this for so long I do not think he is able to let go. But I do very much appreciate your honesty and advise.
It's also not confined to the Catholic Church. A relation-by-marriage of mine recently discovered his own children had been abused by his father, a Pentecostal minister. Tragically, the man subsequently committed suicide, and later the minister received just a ~3 year sentence for his crimes.
Hello Phill, I feel as I've known you all my life, as I have a phill with 2 Ls at home as well.
It’s not natural for a priest to live a life of celibacy, would do better if allowed to be married. Unfortunately the Catholic Church became a great hiding ground for these so called creatures to hide, as they were well look after fed and clothed and access to children all they can handle. Also have given the good prist a bad name. I feel the church hasn’t handled it well at all, trying to harsh it all up as fast as they come out. But had scared many for life. Must be so horrible to cope with especial when very valuable and little and always had to do what you were told to do. You have to wonder what rock did they crawl out from under, and what made them how they were, what sort of upbringing or was it inbuilt in the gens handed down to them. To have such a horrible affect of tormenting another life and scaring a young boys life is just awful.
I had a different fate nowhere near as bad as that, but I was a Sacred Heart girl, and I was so scared of this one particular nun, as my half brother and sister were really monsters at school, so when I started I was tarred with the same brush. We had this head Nun her name said it all, Sister Columkill. I was so frighten to learn, and was made to stand in front of her every now and then for nothing. But she wanted to make sure I wasn’t about to start anything either, I was so shy and timid, but they thought I was going to be like my half brother and sister. And so cope it, even a cain or a strap across the knuckles, I was litterly too frighten to go to school and it did impaired me in not wanting to learn, too dam frighten too.
Its so not like that now thank goodness.
Often wonder what the different ones that were going backwards and forwards to the convent or the house where the priest lived what for did they have to go. Hmm. My school was a fairly big one and the convent was double story. If those walls could talk . The catholic heads tried to cover it up quickly but there’s too many, I call them scum bags. I have a brilliant Priest so down to earth you can talk to him about anything. It’s a shame there were’t 30 more like him. I get so mad when hearing of the scum bags damage their caused to many. When I go off to mass now on Sunday Phil often says are you going to visit the pedophiles again. It actual gets me so mad that these creatures have given the Micks a bad name.
As sexual abuse of young children is a crime it should be handled by the Justice System. To have the Church in charge is wrong because they have a conflict of interest. This is my opinion anyway.
In that case Caroline, why don't the victims report it to the police ? That would seem the logical thing to do. As a committed Catholic I have been devastated by these reports, and more so by the cover ups that have occurred. However, I have also been puzzled why the abuse was not reported to the law as it is a breach of the law.
Hello Girls, The law would have to be involved, with all the different back lashing coming out, and millions that had be awarded to that said person, and I think one or two have been jailed in the ex stream cases, but kept under wrap as much as possible, and publicity kept low keyed at all times, the ones that have been affected would have to at one stage, signed some sort of statement saying its all been true and that alone would carry a jail sentence if found untrue. So the law would have to be involved in the really bad cases surly. And with the ones coming forward, wouldn't they've approach the police first up to file the complaint, I know they do deal with their own kind, but when it crosses the line, doesn't that then become a police matter anyway.
Reporting the matter to the police doesn't always solve the problem. When Vatican banker Roberto Calvi was murdered in a masonic ritual under Blackfriars Bridge, the Italian police issued a warrant for the arrest of Archbishop Paul Marcinkus. The Vatican hid the likely perpetrator, and then pleaded diplomatic immunity so the case never came to trial.
If one goes back 25 to 30+ years before all this abuse came to light, a young person who was abused would suffer from feelings of guilt because they would know that it was wrong. They would also be conflicted because the person who abused them was in a position of authority and would probably be of the same faith. Would not that young person wonder if it was wrong then why was the adult doing such 'bad things' to him/her?
This conflict would either result in them remaining silent or telling a parent. History tells us that many of the abused children remained silent and had to live with the hate and guilt they were feeling. If the parent was of a strong faith in those days would the parent believe the child? Would the parent take action?
I think that today it would be different because of all the publicity. Today it would be reported, hopefully, to the Police.
Talking 25 - 30 years ago Caroline, you are correct, and I would add that more often than not ANY victim of ANY type of sexual assault, including young girls being raped on the way home from work, an outing or anywhere else, were the ones treated as criminals.
That's a bit Scary Denise! Did he say this out loud, or under his breath? I think I'd be keeping a very close eye on him.
When Bernard Cardinal Law of Boston was wanted for questioning by US police with regard to hundreds of sodomy charges by priests of his archdiocese, he was promptly pulled from Boston and promoted to a more senior position at the Vatican by Pope John Paul 2 - where he too could enjoy diplomatic immunity. Naturally, diplomatic immunity does not apply when facing the Just Judge on Judgement Day - the only Court where perfect justice is assured. Let's hope all disordered clergy avail themselves of every opportunity for a sincere confession and penance beforehand. Of course, if Cardinal Pell was told any information during Confession, he would be bound by the seal of Confession, and could never divulge the details to ANYONE. In such a case (hypothetical as that may be) Cardinal Pell could be defended to the hilt.