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Permalink Reply by Michael Petterson on May 23, 2012 at 4:44pm

All I have to say is that if CSG mining continues without any meaningful legistation to regulate it in NSW it faces one heck of a battle. The northern rivers is totally oposed to it,and I don't see them getting public approval or any agreements by landholders. I also heard a promising story on 2gb that under the Petroleum Act of 1991 that they may no be allowed to do this on "land that has significant inprovement"  On the story it's mentioned that developing land for agriculture may fall under this. http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&...

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Permalink Reply by Robert William Nickisson on May 24, 2012 at 7:10pm

Hi Michael, I get little chance to visit this site lately but I am always questoning B O"F and he is always PASSING the BUCK this is the latest ,

Mr Rob Nickisson

Dear Mr Nickisson

Thank you for your recent email to the Premier concerning the Coastal Protection

Regulation 2011.

As the matter you have raised concerns the administration of the Minister for the

Environment, the Hon Robyn Parker MP, your email has been forwarded to the

Minister for attention.

You may be sure that your email will receive close consideration.

Yours sincerely

David Swain

for Director General

I will list the evasive answer if I receive one. Regards Robert WN

 
Michael Petterson said:

All I have to say is that if CSG mining continues without any meaningful legistation to regulate it in NSW it faces one heck of a battle. The northern rivers is totally oposed to it,and I don't see them getting public approval or any agreements by landholders. I also heard a promising story on 2gb that under the Petroleum Act of 1991 that they may no be allowed to do this on "land that has significant inprovement"  On the story it's mentioned that developing land for agriculture may fall under this. http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&...

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Permalink Reply by Jan Courtney on May 25, 2012 at 6:29am

Robert,  that is the template of the standard letter you get from any minister -  they all refer the letter to someone else.   I have been writing for years, especially about hospitals -  same deal "I have passed your concerns to .........

 

So don't just blame BO'F. 

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Permalink Reply by Ian Davies on January 14, 2013 at 11:09pm

I am very interested in any comment from a NSW National Party member who may be able to shed any light on this, the current discussion doing the rounds: 

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2013/01/why-would-a-state-liberal-p...

Once that read, you may have missed this.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/nsw...

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Permalink Reply by Ian Davies on January 14, 2013 at 11:15pm

Just in case it now doesn't open.

NSW Liberal Right thumped on executive. Dec 15th 2012. From The Australian Newspaper.

THE once-dominant Right faction of the NSW Liberals has been obliterated in internal elections for key party positions.

After the ballots of 577 state council members were counted last night, the Right had secured only one position on the 21-member state executive, compared with the five spots it previously held.

The new state president, replacing NSW senator Arthur Sinodinos, is former state minister and Australasian Casino Association boss Chris Downy.

He defeated the Right's candidate, mortgage broker John Ruddick, by 359 votes to 218.

Like Mr Downy, both vice-presidents, Kelly Knowles and Trent Zimmerman, are from the Left faction.

The key figure in the Left in NSW, lobbyist and former state minister Michael Photios, has been returned to the executive.

The poor showing by the Right is an illustration of a favourite saying of its former figurehead, John Howard: "Disunity is death in politics".

 

The faction split in 2009 after a falling out between state upper house MP David Clarke and his protege, Alex Clarke.

Since then, more state MPs have peeled off and allied themselves with a broad grouping called the "soft Right" by its members and the "new Left" by its opponents.

Last month the Right failed in its bid to introduce direct election of party officials, and of parliamentary candidates, by branch members.

However, the proposition was referred to a committee due to report next year.

Mr Ruddick said last night: "Among the 13,000 members of the Liberal Party in NSW, only 5 per cent are allowed to vote for their party president."

"It won't be long before all party members will have a vote, and if that happened I would have received 85 per cent of the vote."

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Permalink Reply by Rob Moore on January 15, 2013 at 10:11am

Vivienne leads by example- We must shake these people up - surely a poll saying Gillard is 12 pionts more popular than Abbott must just be Muckturdan spin but....... being a good bloke will get you nowhere these days. Be a lying scumbag and you're in like Flynn to to the highest office. 

 

From: Vivienne Skeen

Date: 14 January 2013 11:59:40 AM AEDT

To: Tony.Abbott.MP@aph.gov.au, Julie Bishop a href="mailto:Julie.Bishop.MP@aph.gov.au">Julie.Bishop.MP@aph.gov.au>

Bcc:  

Subject: If the Liberals want to run Australia (Federally) then they had better get their act together in the States, and stop copying Labor?

Dear Tony,

At the bottom of this email are 2 comments on michaelsmith.com  this morning, in reply to the article in the SMH, regarding the laws Barry O'Farrell is talking about bringing in, trying to out do Nicola Roxon's anti discrimination laws.  But as you can see, the complaints from the People are many

They are comments made much too frequently about  Barry O'Farrell & Ted Baillieu.  I vote Liberal but, if Federal Liberal are going to go the same way as NSW & Vic Liberal Governments, the coming election will be a disaster for all of us. 

You need to speak up and say what you are going to do, especially about this ridiculous law the Communist Gillard Government are trying to bring in. Australia is on a slippery slope to becoming a totalitarian state.

In Victoria we are fighting a dictatorship with Bailieu, We are being told lies about the so called mandatory smart meters, the public are being bullied and harassed by the Baillieu Gov. and the Power Companies, to have smart meters put on our homes. The truth is that there is no law that says we are compelled to have a SM. Is Australia a democracy, a dictatorship or a communist state?

 

I can say with absolute surety that the number of Victorians who are against SM is rising and the majority are Liberal voters!

Australia has had several treasonous politicians and the People are waking up. In 1992 the Keating Gov. signed Australia onto the United Nations 'Sustainable Development Agenda 21' the People were never told.   A21 is in all local councils as well as State & Federal Gov Departments. A21 has still never been explained to the People. 

John Howard was in for 11/12 years A21 was never explained or talked about, it went on its insidious way working its way into every aspect of our lives. Robert Hill, one of Howard's Environment Ministers promoted it behind the scenes, Hill now runs the UN NGO's in Australia. Still the people have never been told.

Rudd signed Australia onto Kyoto Protocol, Howard refused to sign it.  But, Howard organised with the State Governments from 1998 laws that paved the way for the Kyoto Protocol to be implemented into Australia, Howard may as well have signed it. 

The Kyoto Protocol has been destructive to Australian farmers and land holders.  You can blame a lot of the devastation of the bush fires onto the Kyoto Protocol, the woody weeds that sustain the bush fires gives the Government carbon credits to the United Nations!

Why does Australia have to take on the United Nations Destructive policies,  they are a foreign entity, Australians were never given the opportunity to vote either way for the UN policies.

I am no longer sure who I will vote for, Federally, it certainly wont be Labor or the Greens, I may have to just throw my vote. I am fearful for the future for all of us, we are living in perilous times and the public need some certainty, and we need it now!  

I voted as usual for Vic Libs, but now I am sorely disappointed.  I will not vote for them at the next election,  I may as well vote Labor because they are no different.  Hopefully another party will rise up in Victoria, I will give them a chance, or I will simply throw my vote.

Vivienne Skeen

 

COMMENTS OF THE MICHAEL SMITH PAGE.

"Ummm To the Liberal idiots, why would you side with Roxon? seriously if this is what we are in for when and if Liberals get into office at the top we are screwed, and this is only a state government....

Why? thats a good question, whats wrong with things now? people can sue if they are offended already? but its water of a ducks back right... If you are being picked on say at school or work, tell someone, then sue if you must, but that wont make it go away unless you tell people.

Maybe I am out of touch, but siding with Roxon is a very bad mistake.

Posted by: D8 | Monday, 14 January 2013 at 09:59 AM"

"The NSW Libs are a disaster, imho.

It was reported yesterday on the front page of the Sunday Telegraph that they apparently want to rip us all off another $300 a year for some b******* bushfire levy?

If the Liberals want to run Australia (Federally) then they had better get their act together in the States, and stop copying Labor?

O'Farrell doesn't listen to the people of NSW apparently? Neither does Greg Smith? Forcing payment of money from good and decent people (by way of a penalty called the Victims Compensation Levy) is a case in point, I think. People who have been found by a Magistrate to have been treated unfairly and told that they would receive no penalty, should not be treated like this imho? NSW Libs don't appear to have a clue about fairness?

We are all under enough stress with the Labor Federal Government. We don't need the NSW Libs behaving unfairly as well, do we?

Is he being advised by the same people as Gillard?

Posted by: The Magistrate said NO PENALTY | Monday, 14 January 2013 at 10:15 AM"

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Permalink Reply by Geoff Hutchesson on January 15, 2013 at 11:37am

That email and Cc.'s should generate a smile or two -

The 'michaelsmith' url is -

http://michaelsmith.com/

A real estate agent in Georgia, USA.

About as accurate as Vivienne's take on smart meters.

Geoff H.

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Permalink Reply by Rob Moore on January 16, 2013 at 7:36pm

Geoff - there would be no need for a "smart arse meter" if we weren't playing this childish costly 20% by 2020 game by juveniles who will say anything to win a vote for themselves.

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Permalink Reply by Ian Davies on January 16, 2013 at 8:40pm

That S.M not just for variable energy generation or offpeak load balancing. It will be the tool of the GHG Agenda brigade sometime in the future.

 

What else is NSW B.O LNP happy to be putting their name too?

 

NSW Energy Report

 

http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/Prod/parlment/committee.nsf/0/6E0C25BF50C6AA0DCA257ABD00196735

 

 

PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE

REPORT 6/55 – NOVEMBER 2012

 

Executive Summary page ix

 

The Committee was keen to hear directly from consumers. To do this, the Committee worked with the NewDemocracy Foundation to conduct an innovative consultation process. The NewDemocracy Foundation formed two Citizens’ Policy Juries, with one group based in Sydney and the other in Tamworth. The Citizens’ Policy Juries comprised of randomly-selected citizens who volunteered their time. The methodology adopted by the NewDemocracy Foundation in this process is detailed in Chapter One. The groups subsequently each provided a report, and these are included as Appendices to this Report. Their views informed the Committee’s deliberations, and are also referred to in the main body of this Report. The Committee was particularly impressed by the commitment which the participants showed to the process, and the generosity they showed in giving their time. The Committee has recommended that the NSW Government consider adopting similar processes in other areas of policy where appropriate.

 

The terms for these informed citizens: 1.12   The proposal asked the Citizens’ Policy Jury to reach agreement on ‘the order of preference, level of interest and the preferred funding model for alternative forms of energy generation (e.g. tidal, geothermal) in NSW.’1 The Committee agreed that the Jury’s recommendations would be provided to the NSW Government as part of the Committee’s final report.

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Non of those big Questions on the viability or costs of renewable energy, looks like even the NSW LNP can’t have the U.N Agenda questioned by the great unwashed masses who pay the bills.

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http://www.newdemocracy.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=45&Itemid=127

 

 

Sydney:

http://www.newdemocracy.com.au/docs/Sydney%20Citizens%20Policy%20Jury_Report%202012_FINAL.PDF

 

RECOMMENDATIONS ON ENERGY ECONOMICS AND SECURITY IN NSW

SYDNEY CITIZENS’ POLICY JURY August 2012

Tamworth:

http://www.newdemocracy.com.au/docs/Tamworth%20Citizens%20Policy%20Jury%20_%20Report%202012_FINAL.pdf

 

Clearing the Air

RECOMMENDATIONS ON ENERGY ECONOMICS AND SECURITY IN NEW SOUTH WALES.

NEW ENGLAND CITIZENS’ JURY

August 2012

 

New England Citizens.

 

Can we FOI the names & courses studied?. Lets see what the WWW spits up!

 

Freeking “Happy New Year” 1984

 

http://www.une.edu.au/business-school/newsletters/2012/unebs-august...

 

From the NSW Gov executive summary above:

The Citizens’ Policy Juries comprised of randomly-selected citizens who volunteered their time. The methodology adopted by the NewDemocracy Foundation in this process is detailed in Chapter One

 

Two names provided in the UNE link above

 

Hmm: James Hunter http://www.richardtorbay.com.au/media-releases/une-intern-learns-th...

 

Ahh huh: Bligh Grant http://www.une.edu.au/staff/bgrant5.php

 

Both names do not appear on the facilitators list for Direct Democracy so I assume they are part of the randomly-selected citizens for Tamworth.

Pre defined outcome, nah!  

 

http://participedia.net/en/cases/new-south-wales-public-deliberatio...

 

History

A policy jury is, as one would expect, a deliberative body composed of people whose primary goal is to convene and make a decision on the matter of public policy. In this case, the policy juries that convened in Sydney and Tamworth were tasked with giving recommendations for renewable energy alternatives. 

Not any of those elephant in room questions of LETS NOT GO RENEWABLE AT ALL! So no choice at all!

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Oh Barry! that church is way too broad, what side do you sit?

 

I suppose it should be no surprise how aligned we are to the E.U & U.N process being driven by the S.I, Fabians & ALP but you expect the LNP to have a few decent members fighting for Conservative values.

 

http://csis.org/program/new-european-democracies-project

 

New European Democracies Project

Part of the: Europe Program

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_J._Green

 

‪Mark J. Green‬

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

http://www.fya.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Collin-2008-young-...

 

Young People Imagining a New Democracy: Literature Review

Whitlam Institute UWS

 

http://www.newdemocracy.com.au/

 

New Democracy

Exploring and advocating new and better ways of doing government..ways that are more inclusive and less divisive.

We don’t need better politicians. We need a better system.

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Speech to the World Forum for Democracy, Strasbourg, France, October 2012 – as a Guest of the Council for Europe

Thursday, 8 October 2012 22:06

 

http://www.newdemocracy.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&vie...

 

http://www.un.org/sg/statements/index.asp?nid=6350

 

Ban Ki Moon, LATEST STATEMENTS

 

Strasbourg, France, 8 October 2012 - Secretary-General's keynote address to the World Forum for Democracy

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http://www.humanrightseurope.org/2012/10/world-forum-for-democracy-...

 

October 1, 2012 - Strengthening Democracy

World Forum for Democracy: Women, NGO activism and the development of inclusive politics

 

 

World Forum for Democracy in Strasbourg

The World Forum for Democracy, an initiative of the Council of Europe, will be held in Strasbourg from 5 to 11 October 2012 on the theme “Bridging the gap: democracy between old models and new realities”.

 

https://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/news/digital-democracy-how-i...

Digital democracy: how ICT tools can change the relationship between citizens and governments, hmm.

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Looks very easy for a Political Party to win control and than dance to the same UN S.I tune. 

That term “ICT” is another ticking bomb.

 

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Permalink Reply by Stephen Cox on January 16, 2013 at 8:59pm

Barry Exam results just in.

Borrowed from another post of mine(Cate approved therefore better than Gold in my opinion and I am not alone in that)

Yes I am fully aware that we need to basically tip the whole current mess into the Swill bucket where it belongs and start afresh but it does not mean we cannot learn from past mistakes and sucesses.

Barry are you listening!!!

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Permalink Reply by Geoff Hutchesson on January 16, 2013 at 10:44pm

Stephen,

All very fine and marvellous, that you (and a lot of other folk) expect Barry O'Farrell to wave a magic wand and fix the mess that the State was in after 16 years of Labor, with the first 10 years being headed by Bob Carr, followed by Iemma, Rees and Keneally. This mish-mash of Labor governments virtually brought the State down on it's knees.

Carr resigned as his popularity had slipped to below 35%. (No Bluddy wonder)

The same scenario will occur with a change of Federal government. You will see and hear the calls for changes in reform, not happening quick enough, why doesn't Abbot do more etc. The difference here is that the current Labor Socialists have spent beyond the counties means, incurred immense debt, and basically sabotaged the system. Undoing the Carbon Tax will just be a start.

It won't be a 12 month fix either.

Geoff H.

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Permalink Reply by Ian Davies on January 16, 2013 at 11:02pm

Hmm!

A lot of similarities happening between many of our current media themes.

I hope those many groups pushing democracy issues have both eyes wide open. A few of our attorney General topics & (B.O’s) have shadow similarity to those being discussed in Europe, our big Carbon buddy in the SI NWO, in the FEPS, GPF or PES meeting places loved by K.R, B.S, G.E    ;-)

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