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This discussion was motivated by a program that was prepared for television but never went to air about a planned terrorist attack on the Melbourne Cricket Ground during an AFL Final Game. Fortunately the AFP intervened to prevent the attack. The program stated that one of the two terrorists had received over $1,000,000 in Social Service Benefits during the years he was in Australia planning this attack.
I was updating my profile page and thought the 'LEAVE' Box meant leave page and not leave Just Grounds altogether. Lost everything to date on this discussion and apologise to all those who have contributed to the discussion. So I have rejoined and we will continue this discussion here. I have (earlier today when responses to this discussion were approximately at 350+) posed the question if we should look at fast-tracking the release of ? under-aged boat smugglers as proposed by the visiting Indonesian Leader?
Update on the boat off Bali, the Indonesians found the boat and towed it back to shore.
The Leader of the Opposition has been going around the country thumping his chest about how if he was prime minister he would tow boats back to Indonesia
How many lives of Navy officers would he be prepared to lose if he was prime minister?
What Tony Abbott is exposing is not a debate about saving lives for the Coalition, it is absolutely a debate about not only jeopardising lives with his ‘turn back the boats’ inhumane policy, but it will seriously undermine our relationship with Indonesia.
What Mr Abbott is doing here is effectively playing Russian roulette with the lives of Australian sailors.
We must hope Tony Abbott is lying when he says he will turn back the boats. If he is not lying and actually means it, he is ignorant, foolish and reckless… As every expert on the subject has painstakingly pointed out, the people smugglers have wised up. They have shown they are willing to destroy a refugee boat to prevent it being sent back, at whatever cost in life and limb.
[Abbott] knows if you turn back boats, most of which are leaky, unseaworthy crafts under Australian law, there is a high likelihood of people drowning once the navy leaves. It is state-sanctioned murder.
But Indonesia today shows “everyone” is wrong:
Indonesian authorities have found a boat carrying about 60 asylum seekers that had broken down and started taking on water while on its way to Australia....
Those aboard the boat also contacted the ABC overnight, saying they wanted to go to Australia and expressing concern that Indonesian search and rescue authorities were trying to locate them.
No wonder they were concerned. The Gillard Government has turned our navy into a taxi service, lying that there’s no way boats can be turned around or their passengers carrred back to where they came from.
What’s her excuse now that Indonesia shows they can?
if they can do it with one then they should be able to do it to all.
my next question, how long before this boat appears on the south side of indonesia heading our way and calling in a distress call?
reading further down that report Jen i found this
" Refugee advocate Ian Rintoul claimed Australia should have gone to the aid of the passengers despite their very close proximity to Indonesia.
"It will be a complete disaster for the asylum seekers because they will be indefinitely detained in appalling conditions in Indonesia," Mr Rintoul said. "
and this is what is pressuring the govt. into making the decisions it does.
why the hell should australia have gone to the rescue of these people?
Jan Courtney said:
ASYLUM seekers on a crippled boat tried a new tactic to reach Australia yesterday - asking an ABC reporter to send help from Australia.
But their request backfired when the ABC correspondent sent Indonesian rescue authorities to the aid of the boat, just a short distance off Bali at the time.
The passengers protested, saying they wanted to be rescued only by Australian authorities. But last night they were taken to an Indonesian island against their wishes.
I heard on the ABC1 News tonight that there is outrage about under-aged crew members on boats being detained in Adult Correctional Facilities. Apparently Australia has another diagnostic method to better assess the actual age of smuggler's crew members.
What was of interest was the fact that they wore hoods and masks when being interviewed in Indonesia. Was this to protect their privacy from us or from the Indonesians?
A returned illegal immigrant who said that he would be punished if returned to his homeland told the press that it was untrue. So Australian authorities were justified in having him returned. Read more from the link below.
This article points out some errors in the comparison between Aged Pensioner benefits and the benefits received by illegal immigrants but then goes on to say that the actual truth of the situation is much worse. After 4 years in this country only about 25 percent of asylum seekers are employed.
At last we have some statistics to inform the Australian public.
To answer your question Jan ... No I can not. Meanwhile two more boats arrived on the weekend and we already have the highest refugee arrivals in any one year on record and it is only July.
Professor David Flint on CANdo comments on the Current Refugee problem and the Daily Telegraph link explains the costs involved in flying refugees from the overcrowded Christmas Island Detention Facility to the Mainland.
Just when you thought the Gillard Government couldn’t possibly be idiotic enough to do yet more to attract boat people from around the world:
Indonesia’s defence minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro says he expects a deal to be signed as early as next month which means Australian authorities no longer need permission to enter Indonesia’s Search and Rescue Zone.
The Gillard Government has agreed to this? Seems so:
Indonesia says it expects Defence Minister Stephen Smith and Immigration Minister Chris Bowen to visit the country this month, with a possible deal to be signed in September.
So let’s get this straight. We need boat people returned to Indonesia, not ferried by our navy to Australia. Yet the Government is agreeing to new arrangements to allow our navy to pick up boat people in Indonesian waters?
“There are many illegal migrants coming especially to Christmas Island and they are sending distress signals asking for assistance,” Mr Purnomo said.
“So Australia’s asking us when their patrol boats can enter our waters, what are the rules that apply.
“So far they have doing that, but actually they’re doing it without rules protecting them....”
An asylum seeker boat north-west of Bali sent out a distress call, but once night fell local authorities could not cope and Australia was left waiting an invitation to respond.
“North-west” of Bali actually means off Java’s northern coast. Let me show you what this new deal is meant to help “solve”. That last call actually came from the spot I’ve indicated on the map below. This new deal allows Australia’s navy more freedom to pick up boat people from Indonesia’s north, relieving Indonesia’s navy of any responsibility to bring them back to Indonesia’s shores:
Guess what signal this sends to people smugglers?
Yes Jan and we still have 5 months to go.
But the Liberals demand to have some control over this taxi service.
Note that the article also states that two more boats have been picked up for taxi service.
why don't we just send the boats to the persian gulf and pick them up there with a big sign sayin free taxi service to australia