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The genetic desire of a society is to perpetuate itself so that one's own genes survive and prosper into the forever future. 'Marriage' being the union between man and woman is the principle multiplier of the perpetuation of the society. "Marriage" between same sex couples achieves no purpose for the continuance of the society and can only lead to "equal" rights for same sex "marrieds' to adopt children. Whilst I am aware of children being exposed to same sex relationships being forced upon some children by their bisexual and turned homosexual natural parents no society that wishes to perpetuate itself should entertain a view that same sex couples should have rights to adopt or foster others parentless children. Homosexuals who want the right to marry as man and women have can not expect to be 'equal' unless given the OK to apply to be included in the adoption process. What homosexuals want is to feel normal when there is nothing normal about homosexuality for a society that wants to successfully perpetuate itself.

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Permalink Reply by vivienne skeen on June 4, 2012 at 3:25pm

I can assure you Peter I do not toe any political or fashionable line. I repeat I do not believe anyone's sexuality is a matter of choice, but the way the individual is wired. To think differently in my view is to defy logic. Not dishonesty as you suggest.

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Permalink Reply by Malcolm Fenton on June 4, 2012 at 3:33pm

THE STALINIZATION OF LOVE

Bella Dodd, a former leader of the American Communist Party revealed: "The bourgeois family as a social unit was to be made obsolete." The aim was to "create a new type of human being that would conform to the world they confidently expected to control."

Marriage is under constant assault. This formula has worked for centuries and still works today.

http://www.henrymakow.com/000319.html - The Hidden Knowledge of Heterosexuality

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Permalink Reply by peter cvek on June 4, 2012 at 3:34pm

... reverse psychology re the logic bit just doesn't cut it, I'm afraid... wired?... wired to what? are you a robot, or simply an animal? or were you also made in the image of man, who was made in the image of God... once again, the " belief" you express is a cultured one, namely, inherited from the fallacies of Philosophical speculation, which also governs medical theory ( and NOT vice versa).. You were not BORN with that belief; you EMBRACED it at some stage, contrary to your conscience ( this is a universal reality and process, and not merely an individual one)... wired? The position is a man of straw, and indeed smacks of dishonesty with oneself, which is even worse... Not convincing at all....

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Permalink Reply by vivienne skeen on June 4, 2012 at 5:18pm

I agree, The Marriage Act should not be altered, I don't believe those pushing for same sex marriage are doing it for the benefit of the Gay population either. But it does no good to demonise anyone because they are gay. There are plenty of deviants in the heterosexual community as well Peter. They're wired that way!

Jan Courtney said:

Irrespective of arguments about the how and why of homosexuality, they are a minority group within the community and should not be given the power to undermine the family unit and marriage which is universally defined, whether they like it or not, as union between a man and a woman.

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Permalink Reply by peter cvek on June 4, 2012 at 5:51pm

... nobody is " wired" for anything... sorry to disappoint you and your unqualified theory... robots are wired.. hips are wired... but NOBODY is " wired" ( whatever that means; it's a convenient " excuse" no doubt for you and many others)... Secondly, you just admitted that homosexuality is a "deviation", but that the " deviation" is wired? You REALLY have your wires " crossed" in that respect, have you not? Anyhow, a demon is a demon, a spade is a spade, a deviant is a deviant, but our Maker DOES NOT create " robots" and " deviants" from birth, otherwise He would then be unjust, which He is certainly not... There are indeed plenty of deviants EVERYWHERE, especially in the heterosexual community, but NONE of them were/are born that way... All have a Free Will to choose... Some choose good, others bad, but none are " wired" or " programmed" ( which is what you are suggesting, I presume)... Reasonless animals are subject to instinctive reaction, a kind of fatalism, for when a male dog copulates with a male dog it does so because he seeks a moist hole, and not because he was created that way, but HUMANS are not subject to fate or instinct ( unless they choose to imitate animals)... If fate was all that there was, we would not be having a conversation, for without the intervention of providential will, the universe would not exist... Step back and reason a little, rather than defend an indefensible stance with an acquired prejudice, and mere political correctness. You've obviously been listening too much to Lady GaGa... A bad apple will spoil a basket of good apples, but a basket of good apples will never make a bad one better... Sometimes, sadly, we must throw out the bad and leave it to its own putrefaction, in order to save the good... Thoughts can be like that.. People can be like that... You want a nice gold ring and earrings, then you must separate and throw away the dross first, before you can admire the beauty of the gold... When it first leaves the ground, gold is not a pretty sight... Morals take cultivating just like gold. Vice and immorality must be relinquished and sometimes burned away 7 times in order to admire and appreciate the beauty, as in a precious metal, of their intended end result... Life engenders Life, Decay engenders Decay, and Death engenders Death.. The choice is ours, and not that of some silly fatal birthstone.. We are not subject to fate nor the " stars" as the Philosophers teach... We were made unique, and in the image of the Divine..

Peter Cvek

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Permalink Reply by vivienne skeen on June 4, 2012 at 6:08pm

Dont manipulate my words Peter you are he one talking about deviants you are the one calling all Gay people deviant, you miss the argument when you lump changing the marriage act only to same sex marriage, what about polygamy that will be next what will your argument be them, the Muslims who practise polygamy do it because of their religeous beliefs. Peter you are so hung up about homosexuality, take a good look at what you are saying and the venom your are saying it with..

peter cvek said:

... nobody is " wired" for anything... sorry to disappoint you and your unqualified theory... robots are wired.. hips are wired... but NOBODY is " wired" ( whatever that means; it's a convenient " excuse" no doubt for you and many others)... Secondly, you just admitted that homosexuality is a "deviation", but that the " deviation" is wired? You REALLY have your wires " crossed" in that respect, have you not? Anyhow, a demon is a demon, a spade is a spade, a deviant is a deviant, but our Maker DOES NOT create " robots" and " deviants" from birth, otherwise He would then be unjust, which He is certainly not... There are indeed plenty of deviants EVERYWHERE, especially in the heterosexual community, but NONE of them were/are born that way... All have a Free Will to choose... Some choose good, others bad, but none are " wired" or " programmed" ( which is what you are suggesting, I presume)... Reasonless animals are subject to instinctive reaction, a kind of fatalism, for when a male dog copulates with a male dog it does so because he seeks a moist hole, and not because he was created that way, but HUMANS are not subject to fate or instinct ( unless they choose to imitate animals)... If fate was all that there was, we would not be having a conversation, for without the intervention of providential will, the universe would not exist... Step back and reason a little, rather than defend an indefensible stance with an acquired prejudice, and mere political correctness. You've obviously been listening too much to Lady GaGa... A bad apple will spoil a basket of good apples, but a basket of good apples will never make a bad one better... Sometimes, sadly, we must throw out the bad and leave it to its own putrefaction, in order to save the good... Thoughts can be like that.. People can be like that... You want a nice gold ring and earrings, then you must separate and throw away the dross first, before you can admire the beauty of the gold... When it first leaves the ground, gold is not a pretty sight... Morals take cultivating just like gold. Vice and immorality must be relinquished and sometimes burned away 7 times in order to admire and appreciate the beauty, as in a precious metal, of their intended end result... Life engenders Life, Decay engenders Decay, and Death engenders Death.. The choice is ours, and not that of some silly fatal birthstone.. We are not subject to fate nor the " stars" as the Philosophers teach... We were made unique, and in the image of the Divine..

Peter Cvek

Peter Cvek

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Permalink Reply by Rob Moore on June 4, 2012 at 6:42pm

Having a good moral compass is often overlooked, just because people have a different belief system than you or me.

It is of no importance if that good person also happens to be homosexual, married, not married, religious or atheist.

I do agree with you here Ebony. BUT I do not think that they should have the right to get MARRIED (homosexuals that is) as their is absolutely no need unless they want to adopt kids and this is WRONG- they should get a pet instead!

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Permalink Reply by peter cvek on June 4, 2012 at 7:26pm

... It is wrong... It has always been wrong... It will always be wrong... Why? because it contravenes Nature as well as Divine order... Go to any Homosexual night club and see if there is no substance abuse, no violence, no abuse ( as in the case of the homosexual couple placed on trial recently in the USA for sodomizing a 12 year old boy together and then murdering him.. This is what you are exposing children to?)How can they express maternal love when they are not maternal by birth and nature? Why should we take threats from Voltaires cue and hypocrisy in regards to preaching the truth? Voltaire may have numbers on his side now, but he and his ilk will not last forever... I do not go to Church precisely because it tolerates things that are contrary to Christianity, such as homosexuals and atheists... Yet at the same time I do not consider myself, or anyone else but God as Good ( which is what Christ decreed as a maxim).. Should I shudder and quake in my boots if a little volunteer Lifeliner, who covers a lack of altruism, hardened conscience and atheism, and slithers into a domain originally started by, and ,reserved for, believers rather than atheists, makes threats against preaching the truth? Remember that the devil's ministers present themselves as ministers of light and goodness, in order to wean the innocent by stealth away from true light and goodness... Noone is " good" as you claim, the best we can hope for is to be made new, transformed by Christ's mercy... Then we CAN be truly pure, though perpetually subject to temptations... As for sin, you obviously do not know what you are talking about when attempting Theology, since the World was originally made, if you recall, as well as man and woman, without death, decay, sin, but through the abuse of Free Will became cursed as it is, until a future time when it shall be made anew... It was ONLY designed to be without sin... Do get your facts right before presuming to be a Theologian as well as one of the Atheistic Religion.... The twain paths can NEVER meet...
Peter Cvek

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Permalink Reply by vivienne skeen on June 4, 2012 at 7:34pm

LOL

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Permalink Reply by Rob Moore on June 4, 2012 at 8:50pm

Ebony- traditional marriage is struggling with very high failure rates and obviously the example set from our beloved PM down says that anything goes.

All the single parent housholds are bad situations and there will always be those that need help -lifeline and the like. The more the solid foundations of society get watered down- the more that will end up on the confused scapheap full of drugs and crime. For every one adoption that may be ok -there will be more than one that is dogey and if they end up like the rest of the marriage stats - all will be devalued for nothing but chaos and embarrisment all round! It is wrong to interfere.

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Permalink Reply by Stephen Cox on June 4, 2012 at 10:19pm

Peter I have a philosophy and it reads thus,Selfishness is the root cause of all Evil and most religions operate on either a threat basis or a selfishness basis therefore I conclude they are all wrong.

For a religion to operate on a threat basis as many do "ie eternal damnation" is in truth no better than the quasi religious nature of Naziism,To operate the other way "ie do this and act thus to gain the riches of heaven" is in turn prevailing apon the act of selfishness by the individual to achieve such a result.

In every case involving others be they beast or human selfishness leads to evil or a bad result for someone else,The rapist looks only to satisfy their selfish desires hence the act is Evil as it causes harm to another.

The Coward who deserts a fellow traveller in need ,for instance one being attacked by a group of thugs or struggling to stay afloat in a stormy sea,The person deserted then suffers from the actions of the selfish one as his torments are increased by the cowardice of his fellow traveller and likely then will inflict greater harm on the victim,Therefore the Coward has contributed to the harm of his fellow traveller as though he struck them as well as the thugs or aided the stormy sea in sapping the will to live from his fellow traveller

Selfishness in the smugness of you dismissing all who do not agree with your particular religious take on life it leads directly or otherwise to harming individuals whether you know them or not,More Evil has been carried out in the History of this World by those spouting religious Fervor than by those whom are classified as Atheist,These are proven facts as recorded by History and in many cases by those of religious standing.

When it comes to passing judgement apon others remember one of your Religious sayings Let he who is without Sin cast the First Stone.

I seem to remember the Islamists still practice that little joy and by rote the teachings of Christianity where they speak of such a happening also tell us they were as guilty of said actions as the followers of Islamn otherwise why the warning from your Gods representative.

On one hand you condemm the gay community as unnatural be that as it may therefore by said action placing the focus on their actions as Evil and or Unnatural and yet do not recognise your own actions being of a selfish nature lead down the slippery path to a similar fate if you are correct in your assumptions,Hence the statement about stone throwing.

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Permalink Reply by peter cvek on June 4, 2012 at 10:57pm

... Stephen... Let's look a little into your hotch-potch philosophy, for, if we be honest, it can hardly be termed " original"... In your first sentence you borrow half a phrase from the Bible ( to which Biblical Religion you then deny any relevance and infact intimate that it is " evil", ie; being of a " selfish nature").. I presume that since you deem yourself above religion that philosophy has precedence, or at least YOUR ( selfish??) " interpretation" of a hotch-potch philosophical " maxim" ( ???).. You kill two birds with the first stone that you cast ( for you cast a stone at Religion, and by reflex all those who are religious), namely, the bird that is called " originality" ( which you deem to possess philosophically), and the bird that is called "logically true", since you will never prove that your maxim regarding selfishness is a valid and true maxim ( except perhaps in your own mind), precisely because you plagiarize most of it from the Bible, yet completely out of context and contrary to the original fullness of the Word, and then proceed to throw more and more stones against those who prefer to believe the Bible, as opposed to yourself.. ( a little " selfishly" perhaps??) The little you know about Nazism is another wayward stone, for Hitler's men were certainly NOT Christians nor Religious, but revived the Pagan " PHILOSOPHY" of the worship of Woden ( whom the Greek Philosophers worshipped as Hermes)- even carrying images of Woden in procession in honour of the " Hall of the Fallen in Val-Hell-a" ( my etymological emphasis).... As I have said in the past, the homosexual community condemns itself, and is condemned by nature, as well as the Commands of God... I do not have to condemn anyone, since they condemn themselves and contravene their consciences and contort the natural into the unnatural... Perhaps your ( selfish??) stone-throwing against the morals of true religion ( which has to this day a wider acceptance than the homosexual lobby does) waves a broader wand, and strikes a less merciful blow, to great numbers of innocent believers that you ( selfishly??) tarnish with the brush of bigotry... I would suggest that you look into yourself first, before casting sweeping philosophical adages with no roots nor truth in them, like stones against those who prefer not to live in glass bubbles of atheistic religion, such as you so obviously appear to call home... I need not go further into the wayward fruits of your invented " philosophy" ( I have not yet even begun on the third paragraph)... You do a better job than I ever could at discrediting it and yourself by your own words...

Peter Cvek