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Energy and the Carbon Tax

The miners are digging forever larger holes and shipping the dust to be processed overseas and shipped back again as product.

We cannot do that here because we are not developing our energy to do so. We are just shipping it away for peanuts when it should be declared a Strategic Reserve. A vital means to train our engineers, metallurgists and engineering thinkers for hands on skills and creative productivity for our future. Both the LNG and the mineral dusts are close to each other to produce the steel.

That the LNG could be shipped in the same tankers to the capital cities to replace coal to fire the boilers producing steam for existing generation until there is a better enviro use for it, or replace oil currently from the dysfunctional regions of Islamia funding the terrorists, are other matters

But there is another dimension........The Electricity Grid

OK, so nuclear is not yet, but if a large part of the domestic electric consumption from the grid, estimated at 65%-75% (1998) were to be taken over by solar over say, 10 years, and orientation of the array allows,then it would free up energy for smelters to produce the metal ingots and bars for the huge added value. What a boost to employment, knowledge , and skills for real "working families"? (How I cringe at that childish Labor spin) If the politicians are serious, then solar should be mandatory for domestic building approvals

The energy is needed anyway to process the scrap when all the
holes are empty and all that is left is an eerie silence over the mining landscape.

Oh!..and the Carbon Tax?,$12 billion in the first year and giving $2.7 billion of that away through Centrelink as grease money. Guess what the rest is for?

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Permalink Reply by Dennis "DARBY" Brierley on July 31, 2012 at 5:01pm

how do they calculate the carbon tax on hydro electricity?

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Permalink Reply by Dr Caroline Wright on July 31, 2012 at 5:58pm

In Tasmania they don't, they just charge more. Our annual electricity is now $2400 per year!! It has increased by $1300 per year. Go figure!!! We are supplied 80% hydro and 20% gas electricity. Thankfully we have our wood heater to provide heat in winter otherwise we would be up the proverbial spout!

Not a happy Jan as we have just paid this quarter's bill.

Caroline

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Permalink Reply by Bob Stewart on July 31, 2012 at 6:21pm

Dennis,

I have put that very question twice to the Minister and as I expected, there was no reply. But then I knew that there was no way of measuring except by random field sampling and posting to a modeling path in a computer.The tax is based upon modelling assumptions of energy from combustion of fossil fuel. But this has been the problem from the very beginning. Yet, I see the critical argument is that no weekly carbon dioxide levels for any substantial period, seasonal or otherwise, at any one location in Australia have ever been published to my knowledge. If indeed there has been scientific diligence to make the time to carry out the work to prove a theory. Whether hydro is or is not a carbon emitter is self evident.

Dennis "DARBY" Brierley said:

how do they calculate the carbon tax on hydro electricity?

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Permalink Reply by Dr Caroline Wright on September 10, 2012 at 3:01pm

Heard in the Senate today that King Island had to close its beef processing plant because of increases in utilities and shipping because of the carbon tax. One hundred jobs lost on this island alone which produces the best beef world wide.

No the sky did not fall in but those clouds are getting much closer in Tasmania.

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Permalink Reply by Dennis "DARBY" Brierley on September 10, 2012 at 5:57pm

were'nt we promised that there would be no job losses becuse of the carbon tax?

oh bugger, there's atht word again, PROMISE,

i keep forgetting that when a politician uses it that it means nothing.

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Permalink Reply by Barbara lee on September 10, 2012 at 6:35pm

Nuclear is a great idea, as I had mentioned it in the windmill discussion some months back, of even hydro. Wish this goverment would get something right. Carbon tax is just killing off jobs and killing Australia.

Hope the rose colour glasses break soon.

Barb

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Permalink Reply by Bob Stewart on September 10, 2012 at 6:58pm

We should describe it for what it is Dennis. The politician is lying

Combet lied when he said we would all be better off.

This my little list started in July .

July 25 300 from the Health System
July 27 700 Port Pirie Smelter
3,200 Nystar
Jul 28 700 Caltex Kurnell Refinery NSW
Aug 2 198 Darrell Lea (Power cost doubled)
Aug 9 50 Owns Glass ( " " " )

Dennis "DARBY" Brierley said:

were'nt we promised that there would be no job losses becuse of the carbon tax?

oh bugger, there's atht word again, PROMISE,

i keep forgetting that when a politician uses it that it means nothing.

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Permalink Reply by Ian Davies on September 10, 2012 at 7:08pm

Hi Bev, Our NSW Libs made an announcement late on Friday they want to take renewable energy to 20% at no additional cost. All very quite about that statement for the moment! it's not forgotten by many & a please explain with cost detail is on the way because some in the Industry are saying the RET scheme may already look like it will overshoot to 25% at a cost of tens of billions. QLD is looking like a good place to live.

Beverley Prescott said:

An interesting outcome to the solar revolution. This news item in Cairns Post today.

For those of us who can't afford or do not want to put solar onto our homes, we are made to pay for those who have got it.

There have been numerous phone calls about this on radio up here.

Good for those who have the solar - we had put in the home we built in 1980 and that unit is still working on the house in Cairns as I know the people who now own that home. That was when it was very expensive as well.

However, my son has solar on his house as of this year and I am happy he is getting the benefit - however, that is not going to remain and they will all be paying much more when more people go on the grid. Only a certain number are allowed on those grids anyway apparently.

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Permalink Reply by Stephen Cox on September 10, 2012 at 7:24pm

Solar when you look into it is manufactured in the majority in China and the IP and patents also mainly controlled by BP who bought into it big time some quarter of a century back,That is why when you actually take notice of the BP symbol it is a stylised Sun being a play on how they controll in so many ways Solar energy.

Solar has it's place but any Domestic system should never be Grid connected due to feedback issues in a system built around central control,A system where so much infrastructure is aging and poorly maintained and hence prone to tripping out when Solar inputs massively in a random manner into the grid.

Like wind it has many issues Authorities wish to ignore or gloss over.

Nuclear also has issues though not so much the Nuclear aspect everyone considers but in Power Generating systems many overseas systems input considerable heat into local river systems through the cooant heat exchangers,not a good thing enviromentally,How well do you like your Fish broiled.

But the biggest issue is in truth the Grid,We need to move Domestically to an off grid system as much as possible but those making the money would scream blue murder at the thought.

Exactly the same has occured in the Water supply system,Once many homes even in Sydney had a water Tank then Government banned them forcing people to pay money for water to Government Utilities,These they then wish to sell off to mainly foreign interests.

This over the last 4~5 years in NSW metro areas has swung the other way with Water tanks once again promoted due to Government having no guts to build more Dams.

It is hard to know exactly how much Power is used by industry as many once had special rate contracts that were classified as National Security and uncheckable.

However with the massive Deindustrialisation that has taken place since Keating fulfilling a UN directive I doubt that Industrial uses half of what it once did in Australia.

The extra load comes from a bunch of Younger generation types who cannot imagine not having Airconditioning amongst other 'Modern Neccesities'.

We have been sold out but it has happened over Decades and by all in Government when it comes to destroying the Australia I grew up in.

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Permalink Reply by Bob Stewart on September 11, 2012 at 7:07am

Stephen A large home off the grid and completely self contained is at www,solarhouse.com and the daily story has been published on the site for many years. The coast of Maine, frozen in Winter and blown away in Spring. From memory, I think the owner has extended the self contained theme to a diesel VDub on cooking oil to do the running around. Very clever people dedicated to a purpose. The full statistics and operating details are fully published for everyone.

Stephen Cox said:

Solar when you look into it is manufactured in the majority in China and the IP and patents also mainly controlled by BP who bought into it big time some quarter of a century back,That is why when you actually take notice of the BP symbol it is a stylised Sun being a play on how they controll in so many ways Solar energy.

Solar has it's place but any Domestic system should never be Grid connected due to feedback issues in a system built around central control,A system where so much infrastructure is aging and poorly maintained and hence prone to tripping out when Solar inputs massively in a random manner into the grid.

Like wind it has many issues Authorities wish to ignore or gloss over.

Nuclear also has issues though not so much the Nuclear aspect everyone considers but in Power Generating systems many overseas systems input considerable heat into local river systems through the cooant heat exchangers,not a good thing enviromentally,How well do you like your Fish broiled.

But the biggest issue is in truth the Grid,We need to move Domestically to an off grid system as much as possible but those making the money would scream blue murder at the thought.

Exactly the same has occured in the Water supply system,Once many homes even in Sydney had a water Tank then Government banned them forcing people to pay money for water to Government Utilities,These they then wish to sell off to mainly foreign interests.

This over the last 4~5 years in NSW metro areas has swung the other way with Water tanks once again promoted due to Government having no guts to build more Dams.

It is hard to know exactly how much Power is used by industry as many once had special rate contracts that were classified as National Security and uncheckable.

However with the massive Deindustrialisation that has taken place since Keating fulfilling a UN directive I doubt that Industrial uses half of what it once did in Australia.

The extra load comes from a bunch of Younger generation types who cannot imagine not having Airconditioning amongst other 'Modern Neccesities'.

We have been sold out but it has happened over Decades and by all in Government when it comes to destroying the Australia I grew up in.