COPYRIGHT LAW, ‘JUST GROUNDS’ and the moderators.

 

The question of copyright infringement is a constant source of concern for the moderators of ‘Just Grounds’. Of all laws, the laws of copyright are COMMON TO ALL within the Developed World.

 

Progressively, for a subscription, daily newspapers, especially the international Murdoch Press, are offering complete newspapers on the WWW.

 

They have realized this medium makes it easy for others to copy their material and re-post on the WWW and in other media. That is why they use and at times enforce their copyright.

 

The laws relating to international copyright are plain and unambiguous. The easiest reference is printed on the front pages of any book or magazine and is always somewhere in the pages of newspapers. Look it up for yourself.

 

Recently one of our moderators, Julene, had cause ON BEHALF OF ALL THE MODERATORS to raise this matter with P--- K--- who posted a direct copy from the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) on ‘Just Grounds’.

 

The following is what transpired: 

On 14/02/2011, at 7:40 PM, Julene wrote to the moderators:

 

Hi all,

Roger was concerned about a possible copyright infringement with P---- K----'s blog, which reproduces a Wall Street Journal article.

 

I sent P---- a PM this morning to ask him to look into WSJ's copyright.  

 

As a copyright issue, this case is blurry because the blog is, in essence, an advertisement for the high quality of the WSJ and its journalist.

 

We have two options:  1.  Do nothing (but take it down immediately if we get a warning from them); or 2. Do as Dale has previously suggested and only post 50% of the article, with a link to the rest.

 

Here is my PM to P----:

 

Hi P----,

 

I approved your blog (reposting the Wall Street Journal article) because it acknowledged the source, but other members of the management team have questioned whether it may still be a copyright infringement.  Do you have any knowledge of the copyright policy of the WSJ?  Can you find out?

Thanks,

Julene

Here is his reply:

 

You and your other members are a crock. For Christ's sake. The posts are on the internet. the WSJ has an online edition. The post is on several other sites. I might as well go and speak to the inmates of the Melbourne Zoo. You really gonna tell me that you don't post stuff that's not copyright cleared?  That would toss out virtually every blog post from Peter Crawford.

Good Day

I am now handing this matter over to Roger to pursue further as he/the rest of you feel necessary.

 

cheers and good night,

Julene

 

 

Last night I went to the WSJ web site. It was easy to find what I wanted. I suggest you read what follows after you have read the copyright law in the front of any book or magazine:

 

 

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The language used in the response that Julene received from P---- is not uncommon. That is not to say it is common as it is not — but it is not uncommon. My view is that P----’s language is unnecessarily abusive to Julene in particular, and to all the moderators in general.

 

There are always those who believe that everything on the WWW is free, and any restrictions placed by moderators are an attack on free speech (whatever that is). As you can see that is not the case.

 

If you want to re-print from the WSJ and any of the associated Murdoch Press publications you have to get permission from the WSJ, and you have to pay, if you don’t, you infringe their copyright. In reality this applies to all media publications on the WWW, and to any item marked © or copyright.

 

Should legal action be taken against ‘Just Grounds’ for infringement of copyright by the owner of an article or Intellectual Property (IP) in this case the WSJ, that action would not necessarily be taken against the person who posted but most certainly against the publisher, in this case the creator of ‘Just Grounds’, Rob Moore.

 

There would be and could be, no defence. Ignorance of the law is no excuse in law. We are now not ignorant of the law as it applies to copyright.

 

‘Just Grounds’ would not even try to defend if the WSJ moved against ‘Just Grounds’. The fate of ‘Just Grounds’ and maybe even Rob’s business would be at risk. That is a risk we cannot take. We could do no more than apologise, as we now do, for the post made by P---- K---.

 

It is our view that as the world moves more and more towards the electronic news media, the laws of copyright will be more actively policed.

 

We have already seen this with the illegal pirating of music and films. Some hefty fines have been imposed on those who have transgressed.

 

There are always those who want to believe that it is their right to copy for free IP owned by someone else. The new electronic media, as it replaces the print media, doesn’t work that way. The world doesn’t work that way. IP is just that. It is Intellectual Property, it has a value and an owner.

 

Regrettably there are always those who appear to enjoy attacking the moderators on ‘Just Grounds’. The attacks are often abusive, unfair and unnecessary. We accept we are considered by some to be an easy target.

 

As moderators we have a single objective and that is to keep ‘Just Grounds’ open and operating within the Terms of Use and within the law of the land and the international law of copyright.

 

Correspondence between members and moderators is usually conducted by private message. What appears on the site for all to see is usually the minimum to achieve the desired effect.

 

I have made the decision to print all of this correspondence because it is important that you all understand. I do it with the approval of all the moderators.

 

I ask you all to take note of all of the above. There are no problems with reproducing a few lines of an article and then posting the link to the item to which you refer.

 

Or, you can be creative and use the information and write your own article, recognizing, if the mood takes you, the source of your information.

 

The days of cut and paste of copyright material on ‘Just Grounds’ are finished. Anyone who transgresses will automatically and irrevocably have their membership cancelled.

 

Roger.

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maybe we should all  give murdochs  services the flick?

seeing as hes hoping to survive by pay to read, lets NOT read:-)

I follow the small quote and a link direct, keeps everyone happy.

It's not just Murdoch though, Laurel. Copyright applies to all the print media. We but we, the general public buy Murdoch's papers in decreasing quantities. So now he charges for the WSJ and others on the WWW. He has to pay the journos.

 

You are right, make a quote and provide the references or web address. OR seek permission as I sometimes do and I get it without a fee.

 

As the WWW takes over I have noticed that the 'freebies' are becoming less and less.

 

Thanks Roger

I wonder how facebook deals with this question?

Don't know, Matt. They probably don't care as they have a phalanx of lawyers and heaps of money.

That's the difference between them and us.

Punch and Watt seem to be careful and provide links.

The music and film industry are now investing millions into trying to stop piracy. I believe the main stream print media will follow. If they don't it will be possible for someone to pay for a subscription of a newspaper, copy it in full, re post it and make available, on the illegal copy, advertising space.

There have been some very expensive court cases involving people like Google and Amazon, copyright and royalties to authors, and the availability of books on line.

All I/we want to do is try and ensure we keep our noses clean on 'Just Grounds'. Without being too paranoid there are still those 'out there' who use any opportunity they can find to cause mischief for us.

Roger

 

 

I agree. 'Better to be safe that sorry.' As the old saying goes.

It has the potential to make moderation more difficult if we don't get understanding and more importantly compliance.

The positive side is it will stop cutting and pasting.

Thanks for explaining all of this Roger.

Your attention to detail is always noted with respect.

Patrick Kelly's response was typical of someone so full of themselves...they hate to be reminded they have crossed the line, so they take it personally and become abusive.

While I am here...thank you to all of the moderators.

No one envies you your job..and your dedication to the cause.

 

 

Thanks, Eb.

R

Yes Roger thanks for the heads up here and for putting the time and patience into this explanation. You are an asset to the community.

Good post Roger-

                             All a bit out of my line of work but can't be ignored just the same .

 

If we all follow that instruction and behave - I don't see any great risk to the name at the bottom of the site.

 

I'm happy to pay the $50 per month but don't want any unforseen surprises obviously.

As a writer myself, I know how I feel when I see someone has pinched what I wrote without my permission. If someone wants a copy, they only have to ask. I only want the recognition of my work.

 

Sometimes it is very hard to prove someone has stolen your work as they may change it enough to make you wonder if they thought and wrote exactly like you. The worst thing though is if someone is making money out of your writings. That has happened to me and I couldn't prove it as they had changed it to a small degree.

 

During a course I did on editing, I was told that any writing, even a letter you write, is actually copyright.

 

In the training I learned that the best way is to show recognition of the author or the article or piece you copy, and a link to it. You see all this in books where the bibliography has all the details of your reference material. It is required not only for books but in assignments when doing a course, short articles, or any work where you rely on another persons information. Don't forget that this person did the research that you are not having to do. Mostly refers to non-fiction but many things are fiction, even some newspaper articles.

Having been away, I have just caught up with this topic of major importance!

This is an area in which founder, and since departed Steve Truman, was right on the ball, and did everyone a great service. Sadly, his 'rules' have been lost, or overlooked. Other 'old timers' correct me if I'm wrong, but the key issues were:

1) Don't copy / paste more than 10% of the source article in your post.

2) Always acknowledge accurately and in full, the source article. More than  a couple of members were 'sacked' earlier on for ignoring this rule.

3) Always put the directly quoted material within quotation marks, and in italics.

4) Always add your own words around the quotations, to add interest and to clarify your own position.

 

1) through 3) are pretty easily understood, while 4) is a helpful suggestion to posters, which IMHO should be followed to indicate that hey, you have actually thought about all of this, and have an opinion worthy of consideration!

 

If we all follow these rules, don't see how we can ever get into trouble. And to my respected mate Patrick who posts some truly great stuff, who cares what Rafferty's Rules apply on other sites in the netherworld of blogoramas? I think our code should be known to all, and respected.

 

Cheers  bro' al m 

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