Rising Sea levels a closer look.

Alan Jones speaks with Prof Bob Carter and Angus Gordon about sea level changes.

This is a very important discussion and it demonstrates the measures in just one area in the Great Climate Change Hoax,  that of  Fake Sea Level Rise  that is adopted by Governments and International organisations example the United Nations to hoodwink and gain Control and  Power over peoples  and the Nations .Our Australian Government is a perfect example of Power at any price.  As I have done many times with Alan Jones interviews I have once again made the text available to read at any time for those who do not have the time or the means to listen to it where it is available on Alan’s 2GB home site.                      Robert W. Nickisson

Alan Jones speaks with Prof Bob Carter and Angus Gordon about sea level changes.

Alan Jones.    I would say there are few people in the O’Farrell government that need to get a tickle up one is the man I have spoken about often here Chris Hartcher I noticed some newspaper report last week calling him a success story in the O'Farrell government I haven't seen any of the success and then the Member for Gosford this fellow called Holstein I know nothing about him.

One of the real issues today is just the extent to which Government is just frightening people and we have had a gut full of all of this. People are saying leave me alone, the Gillard government of course we know it is all documented. Yesterday it was about household net worth people feeling that they are worse off than they have ever been electricity prices, the carbon tax, mining tax, small business has now got to pay more superannuation small business getting no relief  struggling as it is and it goes on and on.

Well if that is not enough, as I understand it there is a State Government an O'Farrell Government requirement, now they didn't bring this stuff in, but they have been there over a year they should have got rid of it.  In fact, Barry O'Farrell, when he was in Opposition called this the Coastal Destruction Act. Well now it's a State government requirement on Coastal Councils to proceed with development planning under the assumption I mean can you believe this of a sea level rise of 90 centimetres just over 45 inches will occur by the year 2100. I mean we are 2012 already simply that is a projected rate of sea level rise of 4 inches every year between now and then. Of course, this is rubbish based on projections by you have guessed it The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and something called the New South Wales Sea Level Rise Policy statement 2010 and the New South Wales Coastal Planning Guidelines adapting to Sea Level Rises. These are still in place under the O'Farrell government. Why a previous Parliament decided to base its coastal planning on imaginary global sea level estimates is beyond me and most knowledgeable people, but that is a previous Parliament. Hartcher and Holstein are local members in the Central Coast Area. The sea level rises or the estimates by the IPCC are not rooted in measurement and Holstein and Hartcher have had correspondence to this effect which I have sighted and which they haven't answered, no answers. These Sea level rises are computer predictions, NOT predictions,  Projections and all predicated on the fact that Global Warming is going to take over this Century. Every scientists worth two bob knows that the IPCC projections are exaggerating the rate of everything but the point is people are now being trapped by this you might recall that last September I mentioned to you and I said it early this morning the Nobel prize-winning Physicist Ivar Giaever, a supporter of Obama at the last election publicly resigned from the prestigious American Physical Society, the leading Scientific body in America. The Nobel prize winner he said “I did not renew my membership because I cannot live with the APS, that is the American Physical Society Policy Statement that quote;

” the evidence is incontrovertible Global Warming is occurring if no mitigating actions are taken significant disruptions in the Earth's physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur.”

So this is a Nobel Prize Physicist resigning because he can't hack the dishonesty. You have heard me a million times about this, carbon dioxide is not a pollutant, plants  thrive on it. It's in our fizzy drinks, beer and champagne. It's non-toxic, it doesn't discolour, it is not a pollution, Tony Abbott is right this it is just a great big New Tax that is all it is. It has nothing to do with anything other than raising money. Human production of CO2 cannot affect nature's balance, the ocean contains 50 times more CO2 than the Earths entire atmosphere, CO2 doesn't impair the quality of the air the water or the soil, it doesn't make land or water or air ,dirty or unsafe yet kids in school are told it's a pollution. CO2 doesn't cause disease. It doesn't harm ecosystems, it doesn't harm plants or animals  It doesn't upset nature's balance and yet you have got to wear this monstrous untruth that carbon dioxide is a pollutant.

Important Correction Note on the following interview it was added by Robert Nickisson.

Alan Jones,  made a  correction on wrong information in His interview on Air . However it was after his interview was completed, and did not clear up the mistake made in the interview that is also included in this copy of his interview taken from his web site at 2GB. For that reason I add the following note of correction.

Where mention is made of Lake Macquarie Council which has a current Mayor and Council, when referring to Lake Cathie  and the 17 homes advised to be vacated through sea rise,  ALAN  meant Port Macquarie-Hastings Council , which is under the control of an Administrator. Also, as stated Prof. Carter did attend a genuine sea rise Public meeting with Lake Maquarie Council discussing the same sea rise problems in Lake Macquarie area.     Alan has the two Councils mixed up.

 End Correction Note.

A Jones.   Earlier this year I spoke to Prof. Bob Carter, because there was a meeting in Newcastle about this ridiculous sea level change stuff and Lake Macquarie Council.

Now, to be fair Lake Macquarie Council do not have a council they have an administrator the council was sacked in 2008 for financial mismanagement and they have an administrator up there whose name is Neil Porter and this discredited council employed a consultancy outfit called SMEC to produce a report on the effect of rising sea levels, IPCC levels on coastal properties and it recommended that 17 homes will have to be vacated at  Lake Cathie.  Vacated, well thankfully this bloke Porter this week rejected the advice but that is not the point, everyone has got to set their faces against the nonsense that is driving all this rubbish, much of it introduced by the previous Labor Government but still in place under the O'Farrell Government.

Prof. Bob Carter is a research fellow at the James Cook University he is an Emeritus fellow at the Institute of Public affairs and he asked at a public meeting earlier this year in Newcastle, why governments draw their advice for sea level changes from the IPCC a totally discredited international policy agency known to flout conventional scientific procedures.

Prof. Carter is on the line , but I will also talk to Angus Gordon. He has been involved in this coastal engineering for more than 40 years.

But firstly you, Prof. Carter thank you for your time again.

Prof. Carter.  Good morning, Alan it's good to be with you, I don't think you need an expert, I agree with every single word you just said.

Alan Jones.  Oh thank you , God it’s hard work, isn't it. Why do the O'Farrell Government continue with these guidelines?

Prof. Carter.   Well, it's hard to say because you mentioned Lake Macquarie where I spoke a little while ago and then Lake Cathie up the coast where the current brouhaha is but there is actually action groups set up all the way down to Batemans Bay along the New South Wales coast. They are talking to each other a bit but it has taken a long, long time for a public resistance as it were to emerge. The scientific basis for this sea level policy is quite simply Not.

A.Jones.   I know we have the 9000 families down the coast one way or another terrified.

Prof. Carter.   Well, I agree and at least something needs to be done and Mr O'Farrell might take a leaf and other people have said this from our new Premier's book in Queensland. Within a couple of days Campbell Newman was setting about taking out some of these silly environmental legislation and I think it's time Mr O'Farrell looked at doing likewise.

Alan Jones.   I mean when you have guidelines predicated on the basis that the sea levels will rise by 3 feet for God's sake, 3 feet, isn't someone in the O'Farrell Government in Macquarie Street saying this is rubbish, discontinue it, tear it up.

Prof. Carter. Well the problem is you have to ask where do they get their scientific advice from and as you know they get it from the Government Scientific Agencies (CSIRO) and those agencies are giving advice that is quite simply wrong. Now as an Independent Scientist I have no way of impinging on that and I don't know how a State Government deals with it but I would have thought they'd deal with it by taking some Independent Scientific Advice.

Alan Jones. How do you get this woman Dr Alice Howe in Lake Macquarie Council holding public meetings  frightening the tripe out of people, you were at that meeting!

Prof. Carter. I was but to be fair she is merely implementing State Government Policy on this issue. The problems  are the State Government papers and Regulations on Coastal Properties they need to be taken out and the whole issue started from scratch.

Alan Jones. Right, thankfully this is Neil Porter seems to have rejected the Lake Macquarie Council report that 17 homes had to be vacated.

Prof. Carter. Well, he has and the problem is of course that is an ad hoc thing. It is the patterns that count and not the Administrator if the Hastings Council still had its normal majority of presumably Greens and Labor people they would be sticking by their policy.

Alan Jones.  Can I just ask you to hang on there a minute and I will go to Angus Gordon, who has been involved in Coastal Engineering for more than 40 years he has worked in coastal zone management, zoning projects in every State in Australia, in Brunei, Kuwait, Indonesia and Hong Kong. Angus Gordon, Good morning.

Angus Gordon. Good morning, Alan

Alan Jones. But you have long been concerned about outfits like to CSIRO and the IPCC haven’t you.

Angus Gordon. Yes, Alan but I point out that the IPCC the problem with the IPCC is that the Scientists say one thing but the Bureaucrats in the IPCC say something differently. I think it's important to understand that the IPCC Scientists have actually provided three different projections the one that seems to be favoured at the present time in Australia that is the one being used in New South Wales is their Highest Projection. They also have a mid- range and a low range projection. The low range projection that they do have isn't all that far away from what we have as 100 years of records from Fort Denison.

The Alan Jones.  Normal thing, normal thing.

Angus Gordon .  The record from Fort Denison  we have just under 100 years reliable records even though Port Denison was originally put in in 1866, but there is only just 100 years of reliable records and that shows a rise of 12 cm. So in other words, to get up to 90 cm you would need to have roundabout and eight fold increase.

Alan Jones.  Unbelievable , unbelievable,  I read last night of  Prof. of Geology at the University of Western Australia , both of you men would know Prof. Cliff Ollier, saying quote” the CSIRO uses figures far in excess of even the IPCC which until now were the greatest alarmists. I mean we can't seem to trust the CSIRO they are getting their money from government and doing the Gillard government’s bidding.

Angus Gordon . Yes, well, Alan I think you have hit the nail on the head, one of the problems is that funding for research at the CSIRO has unfortunately been cut back now I wouldn't say over all but unless they can be sensational  they don't get funding.

Alan Jones. Yes, that is what Prof Ollier said,  Come in Prof Bob Carter would you.  Prof Ollier said that the IPCC and CSIRO try to alarm the world with stories of the drowning of low islands such as Tuvalu but detailed mapping has shown that Tuvalu and many other coral islands have actually grown during the last 20 years. I mean if you can't trust the CSIRO simply because they're getting their money from government who the hell do you trust?

Prof. Bob Carter. Well, I think you have to trust independent scientists who aren't getting their money from government and Cliff Ollier, is a distinguished professor and he is one such.

Alan Jones. And he said,  there is no evidence for accelerated sea level rises.

Prof. Bob Carter. He is absolutely true and everybody who works on sea levels understands their facts and picking up a point Angus made which I agree are that the estimates by the IPCC are a spectrum scientists produce, but the dimity as Angus knows with those they are not based on measurements which the figure of 12 cm is in the last hundred years (AJ. Interrupts they are based on modelling, modelling) they are based on computer modelling and you take that from sea level out to the more  broader atmospheric temperature level. This is the problem with the whole environment around global warming.

Alan Jones. Amazing, yes and people have problems they are frightened the tripe has been frightened out of them. Just repeat your comment about Prof. Ollier, because I want to read to my listeners something he said. How do you rank him?

Prof. Bob Carter. He is a very distinguished emeritus Professor of Climate nematologist and Geologist who has worked particularly on Ice and, Glacial nematology, and things like that and he knows a great deal about sea level. If  I wanted an independent view on Sea Level in Australia.  He is the first phone number I would be ringing.

Alan Jones. Right well, therefore, he said, and I read this last night from Prof. Ollier “we should reject Draconian rules to save folk from a remote and dubious peril. If Flannery is allowed to take his chance, living on his Hawkesbury property near sea level the Lake Macquarie’s retirees should be allowed to do so as well. They should not be evicted to save them from a dire fate they will never see.

Prof. Bob Carter. Absolutely.

Alan Jones.  Angus Gordon you have long been concerned about this sea level data haven't you

Angus Gordon.  Yes, I have since the mid 1970s.

Alan Jones. And you have accused the government of a cover-up in the past.

Angus Gordon. Yes, and currently the New South Wales government scientists working for the New South Wales government has pointed out that the sea level has only risen the 12 cm and  not only that, but the trend the more recent trend is one of deceleration rather than acceleration. However, his work he has produced a number of papers but those papers except for one he published overseas they have been withdrawn before they could be published by senior bureaucrats.

Alan Jones. I mean, Prof Carter this Alice Howe from the council says our position is informed by available evidence.

Prof. Bob Carter. Yes well I want to reinforce in answering that what  Angus has just said, it is absolutely criminal that local councils under state government regulation are being required to plan on the basis of a computer model of global sea level. Global sea level, global sea level has virtually nothing to do with what is happening on the Australian coast, we measure our local sea level. We don't build houses in Australia with average global temperature conditions. We actually build them with heaters and air-conditioners to meet the local conditions, the same is true for sea levels. It is literally insane meaning out of the rational mind Public policy to be designing sea level policy on the coast on global average sea level. CSIRO should be asked, it should be demanded of CSIRO why they continue to give that advice to government.

Alan Jones. But, you wrote to both Holstein and Hartcher to local members up there and as I understand it you got an acknowledgement of receipt from Holstein no comment whatever and neither Hartcher, who is a minister or Robin Parker, the environment Minister have replied.

Prof. Bob Carter. Correct the letter was copied to the Environment Minister

Alan Jones. Unbelievable, see the reason I'm saying this to you is it just upsets me. There is so much out there that is worrying people now I had Dennis and I'll just get him to say, Dennis rang, this is a 74 year old man for God's sake, why does he have to be worried by all of this Dennis come in would you please.

Dennis.  Yes Alan.

Alan Jones. Your at Avoca Beach and you will have a hazard line

Dennis. That is correct, the hazard line they put on in 95 the water is supposed to be 20 feet up on my block now it hasn't happened the beach is wider than it's ever been. I mentioned it to the mayor and showed him photos of what it was like in 1930, 1979 and now the beach has never been wider.

Alan Jones. See Bob Carter, what are we saying and Angus a comment from you both, what do we say to Dennis.

Prof Bob Carter. Well Angus might like to pick this point up.

Angus Gordon. Yes Alan will I think it shows the problem we have with science. I mean science you can have theories but the most important thing to do is to in fact measure what is actually occurring and modify your theories according to what is actually occurring rather than just continually projecting forward on theories that obviously can't be supported.

Alan Jones.  But we've got the figures that know what’s occurring. We have got them haven't we?

Angus Gordon. Yes

Alan Jones. We have,  look, I'll leave you all and go there  Bob Carter thank you and look, we don't give up on this  Barry O'Farrell is the next cab on the rank that stuff has got to be changed.

Prof Bob Carter. Good on you Alan go for it.

Alan Jones. Thank you, that's Prof Carter, Angus Gordon, and Dennis you stay in touch with us would you Dennis from Avoca Beach.