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A letter needing an Explanation!

Rudd - Australian Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister is NOT United Nations Compliant.

Open letter To the United Nations the IPCC the UNFCCC and all the below Parties.

Below see copies of United Nations UNFCCC Kyoto Official Carbon Accounts Docs below (6 items) which explain in detail the actual proof of the “Takings” in terms required by the Kyoto Protocol to record and submit records to comply with amounts of carbon mitigation from Land Use Change - “Land Clearing” which was the single largest contributor to Australia achieving its 108% commitment.

The fact that these records now reflect an accurate and official record of the referred mitigation is not in question, other than they also reveal the perfidious actions of the Australian Government.

This communiqué is to ask for the records - regarding the advice given by the Commonwealth Australian Government claiming this tonnage of carbon was in fact the Australian Government’s property to consign to the Kyoto International Agreement.

Further, it is noted that on a continuing basis the Australian Government through the Office of Climate Change has made numerous representations regarding compliance and numerous submissions regarding their right to use this mitigated carbon for the purpose of balancing its accounts and have subsequently used it. If they had not the Australian accounts would be in excess of 130% - liable to severe penalties.

The question asked of your organisation is this? As the Australian Government owns no land on which it has the ability of conducting land clearing what so ever - just how was compliance to be achieved?

It is somewhat mystifying as to how this most questionable arrangement was negotiated and agreed to. Especially in that the undertakings given by the Australian Government made to assure the Kyoto Secretariat that they had met all the checks necessary and subsequently they could guarantee the title and accuracy of the existence of the tonnage referred to. Did the Secretariat exercise no due diligent?

Regretfully, is it not true that the Compliance Committee has made regulatory necessary visits to Australia to assure themselves that the landscape incorporated and methodology adopted where in fact as presented so as to be able to report back to the Kyoto Secretariat on the substantiated position of the Australian Government’s claim. This being so, it only leaves one pondering as to why these highly irregular “Takings” occurred. Is there a relationship to this action and the concerns about the UN’s Global assault on the traditional institution - the “private ownership” of land?

There has been significant public outrage in Australia at this now burgeoning “Takings.” It is apparent that the Kyoto Protocol directly and the United Nations generally are going to be very involved in the eventual outcome whether they like it or not, as the matter will not go away. Especially as the United Nations, prides itself in its staunch claim to the advancement of “Human Rights”.

During the Copenhagen Conference regarding the next stage of the Kyoto Commitment, the than Prime Minister of Australia Kevin Rudd, was asked, was he going to advise the International Community that the entire mitigation used by Australia to meet its 108% commitment, was stolen from Australian Farmers – he inexplicably, ignored the submission.

In this developed Nation, thousands of farmers have lost the use and value of their land, resulting in broken families, and hundreds of suicides. When detailed, this will not present at all acceptable to the image that the United Nations is promoting globally. This, as you well know is directly in conflict with the most fundamental rights document the” Declaration of Human Rights” in particular Art 17 - adopted and recognised as the most important contribution to global peace and the betterment of humanity .

The current foreign Minister of Australia the than Prime Minister flaunted his authority and totally disregarded all the precedents, showing no interest, compassion or appreciation for the rule of law, refusing to recognised the “Declaration of Human Rights” as being an acceptable code of conduct of which in its absence global atrocities were repulsed in outrage by all civilised peoples.

A suggestion, every effort should be made by your office to establish a method of resolving this matter prior to further unpleasant outcomes.

It is the writer’s intention to go international through the World Wide Web with these details

This is due to numerous approached to the Australian Government have had no success, other than denials and further attempts to bury the entire outrage and as the entire achievement of the 108% was due to this theft. I ask the following resolutions be discreetly – as far as the international community is concerned and urgently pursued.

It is anticipated there will be 3 developments;

Acknowledgement of this claim.
A statement as to any action you intend to take so as to assure the effected parties that the matter is being sincerely taken up for resolution with in a an acceptable time frame.
A speedy and acceptable outcome so all involved can move on.

As this matter is substantial and if there is no imminent resolution and as it involves billions of dollars, it has been estimated as the single largest - in monetary terms, “takings” in the history of western governments. Finally, upon the matter fully exhausting all Australian Judicial avenues than it is my intention to continue and take the matter up in the appropriate International Court in which all involved will be made party in the proceedings.

In appreciation of the United Nations most serious consideration -

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Permalink Reply by Patricia Weir on November 9, 2011 at 4:47pm

Michael Not sure if I answered by post or not but I was thinking there must be a reason why Australia isn't affected by the financial crisis as much as other countries are maybe we'll go down after the 1st of July, 2012 when the carbon tax kicks in. If Australia was as bad off as other countries we wouldn't want a carbon tax. It makes one wonder if after the 1st next year we might be in a worst position than other countries who doing the financial suffering at the moment.

cheers Patricia
Michael Petterson said:

Patrica I've been asking myself the same question,and sadly I don't have an answer. I do try to keep people I know informed of these issues and hopefully they bring it up with there friends but I'd like a bigger push ideally. But as I said I have no idea of even where to start.

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Permalink Reply by Rob Moore on November 9, 2011 at 6:49pm

Patricia,

08 was a long time ago and Rudd and Swan had a surplus which they quickly turned into a stampeding defecit up to 200+ billion back in Sept and rising constantly.

Paul Keating got the compulsory super to 9% which is the one plank left in our favour. Compulsory saving and solid returns have been put away in the relatively good times. Trouble is now - I don't think any business big or small has much fat to provide growth or even turn over to service debt ( wit Qantas).

Notice the public service and stronger bargaining groups are demanding cpi increases locked in etc- Credit has dried up and there are rough times ahead. As for introducing a lead weight to all business and consumers with the Carbon crap tax- it will go down in history as an act of self harm and madness.

Read the original discussion at the top here- I don't think that what they have done is lawful and I think it is going to be challenged.

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Permalink Reply by Max Dench on November 9, 2011 at 7:16pm

We constantly keep hearing that we are weathering the financial crisis better than other countries.

We all agree that the USA is in a financial mess and have had to increase their debt limit.

I saw somewhere a couple of days ago that we are only 32 billion off having to raise our debt limit also. And with the way our debt is increasing, at 100 million a day, it won't be long before we hit our limit.

I also heard today that on a debt per person of population, we in Australia are actually way worse off than the US. You don't hear them crowing about that.

While I agree that super can provide a good form of savings, the problem is there has been no control over where this money can be invested and consequently a lot has been lost in doggy investments overseas. I thought the original idea was for a compulsory savings fund to be used for investing in development in Australia.

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Permalink Reply by Merv Nash on November 9, 2011 at 7:55pm

The indebtedness of the major western countries is beyond comprehension such are the numbers. Like who can get their wits around $146Trillion, the US debt just for starters.

When the banks in the US failed because of the crazy unrepayable house loans they lent out and then sold off as genuine assets they should have been let collapse as any other business would have had to suffer. But no the US government stepped in and "rescued" them, thus causing the GFC and at the same time putting the US government into the greatest debt level in all history. Not even the mighty US economy is big enough to absorb that kind of debt. Then when it didn't solve the problem they kept doing the same thing and got in deper than ever. On top of that the banks were still playing a game called derivitaves which is where over $100T of the $146T comes from so the banks themselves are still insolvent. That's why the banks are currently buying up all the gold they can and not lending any money out to amount to anything because they are trying to rebuild their capital base and get out of insolvency. (That also won't work, can't be done, the debt's too big already).

Australia didn't go down this road quite as far as the US, but because there is not enough Australian money in Australia to meet the loan applications by Australians, they too borrow overseas to make up the shortfall. This makes AU banks vulnerable and part of the banking scam too.

What should have happened is the US gov't should have let them all collapse and by now we would have had the recession we had to have (As Paul Keating once put it) and by now we would be on our way to being over it.

Because modern banking is now a world wide operation other counties got sucked in to this fiasco too.

(The house price escallation nonsense started here before the US remember)

Anyway, the other countries did the very same stupid thing the US govm't did so now we are all in the Titanic together and the iceberg is still there waiting to be struck. The sinking will occur. Thats' not in question. All that is unknown is when? They can only kick this tin down the road so far before it goes over the edge.

Your personal solution to all this is pay off every debt you have and buy gold and/or follow some of the smart people who see all this and are running advisories on a day by day basis switching your wealth form one stock to another and making really nice profits as the market moves. Some companies in the appropriate business will make an absolute fortune soon enough.

We are living in the most treacherous financial times of all time. Debt free is the safest way to come through this with as little upset as possible.

Right now the US is about to take on China. It desperatly wants China to, if not float the Yuan, to at the very least devalue it. If that doesn't work it will start errecting trade barriers. Even as soon as next week you will hear talk of this in the media.

Do some homework. Get some true facts, It's all there.

The salt in this wound is that the US "government" has re-appointed all the big shots from the banks that they rescued into the same damn jobs or higher paid jobs in the government itself. Try to come to terms with your wits on that one.

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Permalink Reply by Ian Davies on November 9, 2011 at 7:59pm

Super is looking more like a scheme that created a massive services industry to expand what they consider to be an industry with a higher degree of education so they could transition the economy away from industrial intensive industry.

So we are being set up to go through another cycle of the same social engineering. Who pays the 3% for all the SBE bosses. MRT pay's it for the Gov but as far as I know they havn't decided for the rest.

This will be amazing if we don't crash & burn within a few years IMO. They can do a Keeting & dump the currency by half, just pray you don't need to buy anything imported.

I feel an election song comming on! We Cant Be Beaten!

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Permalink Reply by Patricia Weir on November 9, 2011 at 10:12pm

Max,

It would be a great way of saving if only that was what it was set up for in the first place but I have my doubts re motivation. I read recently (in the last week) that super may be frozen (partly or all) because if the baby boomers start removing it their will not be enough cash flow to go around cheers Patricia

Max Dench said:

We constantly keep hearing that we are weathering the financial crisis better than other countries.

We all agree that the USA is in a financial mess and have had to increase their debt limit.

I saw somewhere a couple of days ago that we are only 32 billion off having to raise our debt limit also. And with the way our debt is increasing, at 100 million a day, it won't be long before we hit our limit.

I also heard today that on a debt per person of population, we in Australia are actually way worse off than the US. You don't hear them crowing about that.

While I agree that super can provide a good form of savings, the problem is there has been no control over where this money can be invested and consequently a lot has been lost in doggy investments overseas. I thought the original idea was for a compulsory savings fund to be used for investing in development in Australia.

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Permalink Reply by Patricia Weir on November 9, 2011 at 10:14pm

Ian, I agree totally Patricia

Ian D said:

Super is looking more like a scheme that created a massive services industry to expand what they consider to be an industry with a higher degree of education so they could transition the economy away from industrial intensive industry.

So we are being set up to go through another cycle of the same social engineering. Who pays the 3% for all the SBE bosses. MRT pay's it for the Gov but as far as I know they havn't decided for the rest.

This will be amazing if we don't crash & burn within a few years IMO. They can do a Keeting & dump the currency by half, just pray you don't need to buy anything imported.

I feel an election song comming on! We Cant Be Beaten!

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Permalink Reply by Patricia Weir on November 9, 2011 at 10:19pm

Humanity has certainly been stitched up by this greedy banksters. OMG - Patricia

Merv Nash said:

The indebtedness of the major western countries is beyond comprehension such are the numbers. Like who can get their wits around $146Trillion, the US debt just for starters.

When the banks in the US failed because of the crazy unrepayable house loans they lent out and then sold off as genuine assets they should have been let collapse as any other business would have had to suffer. But no the US government stepped in and "rescued" them, thus causing the GFC and at the same time putting the US government into the greatest debt level in all history. Not even the mighty US economy is big enough to absorb that kind of debt. Then when it didn't solve the problem they kept doing the same thing and got in deper than ever. On top of that the banks were still playing a game called derivitaves which is where over $100T of the $146T comes from so the banks themselves are still insolvent. That's why the banks are currently buying up all the gold they can and not lending any money out to amount to anything because they are trying to rebuild their capital base and get out of insolvency. (That also won't work, can't be done, the debt's too big already).

Australia didn't go down this road quite as far as the US, but because there is not enough Australian money in Australia to meet the loan applications by Australians, they too borrow overseas to make up the shortfall. This makes AU banks vulnerable and part of the banking scam too.

What should have happened is the US gov't should have let them all collapse and by now we would have had the recession we had to have (As Paul Keating once put it) and by now we would be on our way to being over it.

Because modern banking is now a world wide operation other counties got sucked in to this fiasco too.

(The house price escallation nonsense started here before the US remember)

Anyway, the other countries did the very same stupid thing the US govm't did so now we are all in the Titanic together and the iceberg is still there waiting to be struck. The sinking will occur. Thats' not in question. All that is unknown is when? They can only kick this tin down the road so far before it goes over the edge.

Your personal solution to all this is pay off every debt you have and buy gold and/or follow some of the smart people who see all this and are running advisories on a day by day basis switching your wealth form one stock to another and making really nice profits as the market moves. Some companies in the appropriate business will make an absolute fortune soon enough.

We are living in the most treacherous financial times of all time. Debt free is the safest way to come through this with as little upset as possible.

Right now the US is about to take on China. It desperatly wants China to, if not float the Yuan, to at the very least devalue it. If that doesn't work it will start errecting trade barriers. Even as soon as next week you will hear talk of this in the media.

Do some homework. Get some true facts, It's all there.

The salt in this wound is that the US "government" has re-appointed all the big shots from the banks that they rescued into the same damn jobs or higher paid jobs in the government itself. Try to come to terms with your wits on that one.

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Permalink Reply by vivienne skeen on November 10, 2011 at 8:02am

Central Bankers rule the World, I see the ANZ bank are advertising the cashless society, not in those exact words, but that is the end result.

ALL Reserve Banks are Central Banks nothing to do with any Government. Fractional Reserve Banking, it's just numbers on the ledger.

Get out of debt, store food that will keep, get a veg garden going and chickens.

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Permalink Reply by Merv Nash on November 10, 2011 at 8:39am

The cashless society is good for you. No worries about loosing your loose change and you can pay instantly with your phone just the same as having money. You will always have a record of everything you've spent and will be able to balance your budget so much easier. Robbers can't steal your wallet or purse for cash and once your cards, phone, iris, bar code implant and fingerprints are on record, along with our street and store cameras will be safe and secure.

We will also know your entire movements of every day everything you've spent like where you've been and when you were and how long you were there and we also have copies of all the holiday pictures you took and put up on Facebook.

BTW We have deducted the tax you owe and never told us about when you bartered those vegetables you grew and gave to your neighbour and never told us about that we saw you grew in your vege garden clearly visible on our upgraded version of Google Earth